The Krafts are relentless in their assault on Belichick's coaching.

venecol said:

It doesn't matter who the GM was, upstater's point was that winning teams picking at the end of each round have difficulties in getting good players. That's total ********.

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I know things can be tough for you to follow sometimes but the last few drafts with Dorsey were better than the last few drafts with Veach. Why? Maybe because Veach has been drafting lower on average.

So like I said they can be an example of both great GMing and how it's tougher at the end of the round.

signbabybrady said:

I guess I missed the part of Belichick's career where Brady Mentored him? Pretty sure Bill coached for 30 years without Tom and won 2 SBs before him and went to a third. Bill long earned his way in the NFL before Brady and then he Drafted and developed the greatest player in NFL history Tom Brady.

Facts are facts you can hate him all you want and you can have your opinions on how important you think a coach or a player is but you can't rewrite history.

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Patricia has 2 Superbowls as a defensive coordinator.

Romeo has 3.

Steve Spagnuolo has 4

Does that mean anything? No? Ok agreed.

No one is rewriting any history.

I give Bill and company credit for drafting Tom. I give Brady all the credit for putting in the work and becoming the goat.

signbabybrady said:

Are you forgetting the Superbowls he won with the Giants. Try again.

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He wasn't the HC was he? Try to keep up.

signbabybrady said:

I know things can be tough for you to follow sometimes but the last few drafts with Dorsey were better than the last few drafts with Veach. Why? Maybe because Veach has been drafting lower on average.

So like I said they can be an example of both great GMing and how it's tougher at the end of the round.

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Veach has been killing it, drafting in the late rounds, because they've been winning. Do you only watch Patriots football?

venecol said:

Veach has been killing it, drafting in the late rounds, because they've been winning. Do you only watch Patriots football?

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You are very difficult to converse with.

Which drafts do you think were better for the Chiefs 2013-2017 or 2018-present?

venecol said:

He wasn't the HC was he? Try to keep up.

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When was Kraft the HC? Try to keep up.

festy1986 said:

Patricia has 2 Superbowls as a defensive coordinator.

Romeo has 3.

Steve Spagnuolo has 4

Does that mean anything? No? Ok agreed.

No one is rewriting any history.

I give Bill and company credit for drafting Tom. I give Brady all the credit for putting in the work and becoming the goat.

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I missed the part where Spags, Romeo, or Matty P went on to develop the greatest player ever and to win a Superbowl nevermind 6. But even still all pretty good coaches especially Romeo and Spags Matty P definitely the weaker of those 3. Spags probably deserves another shot not sure if he's looking for it or what.

signbabybrady said:

I missed the part where Spags, Romeo, or Matty P went on to develop the greatest player ever and to win a Superbowl nevermind 6. But even still all pretty good coaches especially Romeo and Spags Matty P definitely the weaker of those 3. Spags probably deserves another shot not sure if he's looking for it or what.

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It's not worth arguing with someone who actually believes Bill made Brady and not Brady him self.

Tom didn't need Bill and he proved it.

festy1986 said:

It's not worth arguing with someone who actually believes Bill made Brady and not Brady him self.

Tom didn't need Bill and he proved it.

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Wether he needed him or if someone else could have developed him is you're opinion but BB is the coach he got and BB coached him into a 7 time Champion. Bill coached for 30 years prior which made him prepared to be able to do that. Nothing I'm saying is factually incorrect.

Wax Frog said:

I'll say it again - welcome to your New England Browns.

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The happiest day for a Browns fan is draft day. Like Christmas.

Then they receive a lump of coal when the season begins.

upstater1 said:

It's about the last month and a half, that's what. As a fan, I don't want a meddling owner inserting themselves into football decisions. I don't want character assassinations to continue (for decades in Parcells' case). I don't want these things for obvious reasons: so the Patriots can attract talent and coaches. There are already coaches commenting that their experience interviewing with the Patriots is the worst one they've ever had. If you're not concerned about these things as a fan, you're whistling past the graveyard. This is the definition of being a mature grown-up. Recriminations are for toddlers.

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I think "recrimination" is far too strong a word for what is going on. They are seekng to establish a line of demarcation between the old ways and the new ways. This always happens when there is a new regime, a new approach or culture in any sort of human undertaking. It is a necessary thing, though as with so many necessary things in life it is not often pretty. Nor is it essentially ad hominem, as you seem to assume. The old way is genuinely, inescapably is associated with those who established and perpetuated that old way, after all.

At one time I worked as a technical writer. One of my colleagues was leaving the company to open an art gallery. At the going away party, someone said,"This is great; now we have have somebody to blame for all of our collective screwups over your time here. I always love it when somebody leaves. We all get a fresh start." Everybody laughed, including the guy who was leaving, because the remark touches upon one of the many silly gambits by which humankind finesses the abundant nonsense of life. If Bill had found himself in a situation like that, I think he would at at least given up that one-sided smirko smile we all grew to love during his time here. After all as well, there are few people more famiilar with people getting fired for cause than a long-time head coach. This is a time, yet again, to quote Vonnegut - "So it Goes."

festy1986 said:

To give Bill credit for Brady is a slap in the face to all the work he did.

I'm trying to play your guys game but you won't budge an inch.

Brady drove the train baby. Bill just set the schedule.

Brady is the ****ing goat and to say that's because of Bill and not because of Brady is ridiculous.

Look at the clowns Bill saddled him with over and over and over again.

The disrespect was real.

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is this truly what you got from my post? wow. i literally said tb gets 100٪ credit for his work ethic,drive,and skill.

Triumph said:

Dink and dunk is Corkys A game.

Game Manager who might win you a playoff game.

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He's never going to win a playoff game, he makes too many poor decisions. Other teams had him figured out by the end of his rookie year. It's been downhill since then

signbabybrady said:

Wether he needed him or if someone else could have developed him is you're opinion but BB is the coach he got and BB coached him into a 7 time Champion. Bill coached for 30 years prior which made him prepared to be able to do that. Nothing I'm saying is factually incorrect.

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He coached him to 6 Superbowl wins.

I rest my case.

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is this truly what you got from my post? wow. i literally said tb gets 100٪ credit for his work ethic,drive,and skill.

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Brady has a higher football IQ than Bill.

I said it.

festy1986 said:

Brady has a higher football IQ than Bill.

I said it.

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Often forgotten is that BB after Drew's injury and subsequent return decided to continue with Brady as the Pats QB.
That decision created quite an uproar among the local sports scribes and fans.
To say one has a higher IQ than the other is fallacy as both were mutually dependent on each other if Brady languished on the bench he may not have achieved what he did.

festy1986 said:

He coached him to 6 Superbowl wins.

I rest my case.

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He coached him up to be the player that could win 7 still factually correct. I rest my case. Your opinion can be Bill was useless but you still can't change history.

festy1986 said:

Brady has a higher football IQ than Bill.

I said it.

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Bill taught Brady everything he knows

signbabybrady said:

Wether he needed him or if someone else could have developed him is you're opinion but BB is the coach he got and BB coached him into a 7 time Champion. Bill coached for 30 years prior which made him prepared to be able to do that. Nothing I'm saying is factually incorrect.

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Except for Belichick is a D/ST coach. I can buy the argument that Reid developed Mahomes. We saw what happened in '22 when Bill got more involved with the offense. He completely failed to develop Mac, who by all accounts was the most NFL ready QB in the draft. There's no disputing that.

venecol said:

Except for Belichick is a D/ST coach. I can buy the argument that Reid developed Mahomes. We saw what happened in '22 when Bill got more involved with the offense. He completely failed to develop Mac, who by all accounts was the most NFL ready QB in the draft. There's no disputing that.

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let's see if mac goes on to being good elsewhere.
of course,then the narrative will change to
1) bb ruined him permanently so that's unfair
2)bb is a totally ****ty drafter