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Old 01-08-2011, 11:28 PM   #141
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We have a better defense than the Colts. You don't think we can score more than 17 points in Foxboro weather?
I agree with the principle. The Jets did not play well enough today to beat even the Patriots B game. However, this Sunday is not next Sunday. The Patriots run D needs to show up or the Jets can and very well could win. However, if we stop their run game and it is up to TH to mach Brady's offensive output, I believe the Patriots are a bigger threat to themselves than the Jets are.
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Old 01-08-2011, 11:59 PM   #142
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The only people the jets should scare are their fans after that performance. Suckchez is dreadful in big games, 3rd string college QB maybe, nfl jets starter perfect match.
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Old 01-09-2011, 12:02 AM   #143
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THe current Pats O is a nightmare matchup for the current Jets D. That hasn't changed in the past month. THe D is still getting better week by week.

My only concern is the health of the DL.

If the Pats are focused and play a good game they win.
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It's the Jets next week. Is that what we wanted for NE?
Yeah and I am going on record.. it wont really be that close. 34-13..
Yeah the Health of the D-line will be the thing to watch for the pats.. The secondary is solid.. the pass rush has been decent.. but the running defense has been up and down. Thank god for the weapon of mass obstruction.

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I guess we're doomed. [/panic]

[optimism]

1. Put Week 2 out of your mind. The Pats O has changed drastically and the defense has grown up. The Jest have changed as well, and Sanchez isn't the check-down, INT-free "all-pro" he was in September.

2. Put 45-3 out of your mind. Those games are special, but they are for a reason. Everything has to go right for a night like that, and that's pretty rare. You can't expect it to go perfectly every time.

3. The Pats TEs, WRs, and RBs still match up very well against the Jets, with or without Leonhard (i.e. whether or not the Jets have adjusted to the new situation is irrelevant). Branch and Welker are still too quick and shifty, and all of the Pats O are great for YAC, something that the Jets backfield has struggled with.

4. The weather forecast is looking iffy. There's no telling in New England what the hell will happen in 24 hours, let alone a week, but the forecasts all seem to agree that some instability is afoot for next Sunday. Rain/snow favors the Pats tremendously, especially the snow. I need to update my info on Brady and the offense in cold weather, but the record is consistently superb. The same cannot be said of the Jets.

5. The Jets have had time to study the tale of the tape regarding the Pats offense. The same was true of the Bears as well, and IMO, the Bears have the more intimidating defense because they do tackle better.

6. The Jets still have trouble pressuring the QB without the blitz. Manning had light years back there.

7. The Pats D is rounding into form and I expect the ballhawks to be out after Sanchez.

8. For the Jets to win, these things need to happen.

a. The Jets D must contain the Pats offense, preferably by holding them under 30 points.

b. The Jets O must score TDs and do it often, while controlling the clock. They'll probably need between 27 and 42 points to win.

c. Sanchez cannot throw INTs.

d. Folk has got to make his kicks.

e. If they do all of this, they've got a chance to win. It's up to you to decide whether or not the pieces can fall into place to make this happen. I personally don't see it.

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I have zero doubt in this Patriots team. They will beat the Jets by two or more touchdowns.
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On any given Sunday...of course we know what can happen.

Let me provide you with enough Xanax and Wine to get you through the week! I put this together for some friends to give them an idea of what is going on inside the numbers. I hope this might help you rest a bit until Sunday.

When it comes to playoff games, I'd rather play an average QB than an MVP like Manning. Upsets happen, but it's important to remember that the Pats are not the Colts. I won't get into offensive statistics because we know New England has the better offense. Given the posts, it sounds as if most fan anxiety is coming from a perceived weakness in the Pats defense.

Jets or Patriots defense?

What team has the best defense? At first guess, you might immediately think the Jets have a better defense. However, that is debatable. The Patriots defense has been a tale of two seasons. One is of the first half Patriots, and the other of the second half. Keep in mind that the Pats were playing a great deal of zone coverage early in the season. Most likely due to the learning curve of many young players starting or having significant roles on defense. Recently, they have been attacking with more man coverage & not allowing soft areas to be exploited by mediocre quarterbacks (read Sanchez etc...)

Let's look at the following defensive statistics of all AFC playoff teams:

SOS - Strength of schedule 1st half vs 2nd half of season
DPTS - Defensive Pts Given up by 1st half vs second half of season
DPPG - Defensive Pts Per Game given up by 1st half vs second half of season
GAPT - Games against playoff teams (AFC or NFC)
WAPT - Wins against playoff teams (AFC or NFC)
LAPT - Losses against playoff teams (AFC or NFC)


-------------------------NE------PIT-----BAL-----KC-----IND-----NYJ
1st-Half-SOS------------.453----.531----.476----.437----.469----.492
2nd-Half-SOS------------.554----.468----.492----.391----.477----.492

1st-Half-DPTS-----------.188-----123-----139-----145-----168-----130
2nd-Half-DPTS-----------.125-----109-----131-----181-----220-----174

1st-Half-DPPG------------23.5----15.4----17.4----18.1----21.0----16.3
2nd-Half-DPPG------------15.6----13.6----16.4----22.6----27.5----21.8

GAPT-Season--------------7-------6-------6-------2-------3-------6
WAPT-Season-------------6-------2-------3--------1-------1-------2
LAPT-Season--------------1-------4-------3--------1-------2-------4

Today was a perfect example of two teams that have regressed from their top defensive form established early in the year, playing sloppy ball just as their second half statistics would suggest. New England's defense is clearly trending upward and in a completely different direction. New England grew as a defense this year. Not at a slow rate, but at an extremely fast rate.

In the first half of the year, they gave up 23.5 pts a game. In the second half of the year, only 15.6. That's better than any AFC team defensive performance outside of the Pittsburg's 15.4 / 13.6 splits. What is even more impressive is that they were able to accomplish this while having the most difficult strength of schedule (in any half season) amongst the AFC playoff teams .554 winning percentage. Winning 8 of 8 games while having ** the most difficult schedule in the second half of the season ** is extremely impressive. Top that off with lowering defensive yards against from (Total 386 - 346), (Passing 268 - 248), (Rushing 117 - 98) and a throw in the +28 give-away take-away margin, and you have to take this Patriots defense just as seriously as the other side of the ball.

They are not the defense they were in September and October. These kids have grown up. The biggest issue confronting the Patriots defense will be whether they can continue to improve and play well with the stakes being higher. Can they match Pittsburg or Baltimore defensively? Maybe not, but with the offensive advantage you have, maybe you just have to continue to play solid defense.

I don't bet on the Patriots. Not because I don't believe in them...but because I don't believe in betting when emotions play a factor, and I'm a Pats fan. Now, would I bet against the New England Patriots at home against the Jets? Absolutely not!

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BTW the Pats D have made jumps up in performance when given a bye week for BB to coach them up and self scout and correct mistakes. That has happened twice this season with this young D.

Guess who has had a bye week to work with the D?
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Sanchez will NOT beat us with his arm. Spikes back will help the run defense along with a guy named Wilfork.

Unless the Pats offense implodes, we win.
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