MoneyFX

The Patriots offense really struggled in the red zone. Many times they had the ball inside the Ravens' 25 and came up with just one touchdown.

GrassyKneel

Yet Brady's three Super Bowls, which are 8, 10, and 11 years in the past respectively, have no bearing on how he played this year, or last year, or the year before, etc.

All you've done in further illustrated my point. The only way you, as a fan base, can continue to pump up Brady as a clutch playoff QB is to point to results that at this point are near ancient.

No one in this thread is talking about Brady's performance in 2001, 2002, or 2004. So why bother referencing it?

Nothing I said in my post isn't true. It's a fact. Peyton Manning put up a better performance against the Ravens this year than Brady, and had his team with the win with 30 seconds left in regulation, yet this board had no problem calling it a choke, putting the loss on his shoulders, and relishing in it.
Brady had worse individual stats, less overall offensive points, and went an entire half without being able to lead a scoring drive, also resulting in a loss, where his team didn't have a sniff of the W for the majority of the second half, and yet he's let off the hook.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the arguments against Manning being clutch aren't true. They are. He isn't clutch in the playoffs. That's a fact.

But neither is Brady since 2005. Since Brady won his last Super Bowl, he's consistently been no better than Manning, and the offense has consistently struggled to score points in big games, and he's consistently put up mediocre to weak numbers in the games that the Pats have seen themselves eliminated in.

Tom Brady 2001 - 2004: Ultimate clutch. Best ever. GOAT, I believe is the term you guys like.
Tom Brady 2005 - Present: Surprisingly mediocre when his team needed him the most in the playoffs.
Tom Brady 2005 - Present:

pherein

Im a fan of football, and fans. Ne has the best fans, and anyone putting down Brady is pretty crazy from a fan looking at QB's objectively. Totally agree with you AndyJohnson.

Look, we love Brees, and hes a good guy, but he will never do what Brady has done. Brady has been amazing and continues to be. You just cant expect to win so much even with Brady.

Bradys not erognance , but thats erognance to expect that. We have teams that want the SB to you know.
Like GB with good fans, or NO. Theres a lot of good fans that are desuring of a SB , like KC. Just no one in the SB.

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Deus Irae

Ok, I admit that I'm coming to this thread late, but Brady didn't fumble, and the tipped ball was clearly not a 'choke'. His completion percentage was fine, his yard totals were adequate and he wasn't the one dropping passes.

Given that, could someone please show me where he supposedly choked, as opposed to just not having a great game and making a mistake here and there? I don't recall a Peyton Manning "serve it right up at crunch time" INT happening, for example.

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Tunescribe

Consider yourself lucky joining this nonsense late. The OP and a few others would be well served to start with "Football for Dummies" and work up from there.

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Brady's first 10 starts, 10-0. Brady's 14 starts since, 7-7.

I'll say it again, I'm not commenting on career vs career. And I'm certainly not saying Manning is a clutch QB.

What I am saying is that since Brady won his first three Super Bowls, going 10-0 in the process, he's actually been relatively mediocre since. Just look at the numbers. .500 in the playoffs overall, with a string of low scoring, poor QB rating games in which the Pats were eliminated.


If you want to talk careers and include games that happened a decade ago, then you're absolutely right. If you want to talk on a game by game basis, as they're played today, this year, last year, etc., then it absolutely is a double standard, and it's really pretty hard to argue otherwise.

I'm in a thread where one guy brought up the topic and the majority of posters are telling him he's wrong or crazy. Hell, there's even some guy who's a Saints fan over here, what's the term you guys love, 'ballwishing', Brady. To the fans on here who ARE able to objectively look at Brady's play and place his share of the blame where it's due, good for them. From reading the threads since the Baltimore loss though, they're definitely in the minority though.

Hey no arguments from me on that INT. That was a dumb decision, and I knew it was coming. I think we all probably did. But are you really going to tell me Brady's two INTs didn't have a significant outcome on the Baltimore game? You might even say they were one of the key factors in the offense putting up a mere 13 points and failing to score any in the second half. But they don't count right?


7-7 since 2005. Consistently mediocre in games his team was eliminated in, while beating up on Tebow, Jacksonville, etc.

Face the facts folks, Tom Brady's play is not beyond criticism because he went 10-0 in his first 10 starts a decade ago. Since then, he's 7-7, .500 in the playoffs.

Deus Irae

But throwing a pick isn't necessarily choking, particularly when you're looking at a ball tipped at the line, a receiver falling down, a receiver tipping the ball to the defender, etc...., and failed conversions in the red zone were certainly far more devastating to the team than the second pick. So, again, where was the choke?

Are you arguing that this particular tipped pass was the choke?

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Patriot Missile

Brady is like 7-3.vs Baltimore. Not always, just lately.

ctpatsfan77

On top of that he is 5-2 in those AFC championship games, and has 5 SB appearances in 12 yrs.[/QUOTE]

2008 doesn't count. It's 7 of 11.

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pherein

Ok , let them tear you apart. I just want to know one question. You like Brady as a person ?
support his views and morals? That he is trying his best. Even if he loses you prepared to be ok with that?
Because of the man that is playing for you and trying his best is not good enough for you, then your not good enouph for yourself.

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