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Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
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Originally Posted by pherein
I have a point….
Why is it that everyone that is posting that Brady is losing it has below 1000 post ?
hmm bandwagon fans ?
Ian and the mods should consider developing a sub-forum.
They could call it something catchy like "spoiled milk" or something, where all of the spoiled fans who come up with this crazy stuff can collaberate together and talk about how their team sucks collectively as a unit, and individually with each separate player.
Certain thread topics would be:
"When should we look for a new head coach?"
"Brady has lost it...I can tell by the way he hunches his shoulders"
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Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
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Originally Posted by GrassyKneel
It's both sad and comical how blatant a double standard there is on this board when it comes to the play of Tom Brady.
When Peyton Manning loses in the playoffs, he choked. When Peyton Manning throws interceptions in the playoffs, it's because he's not clutch enough for the big games. When Peyton Manning puts up bad stats or QB ratings in the playoffs (even when the result is a W), it's all evidence of how he's incapable of post season play. When Colts fans used to chalk it up to drops, receivers running the wrong route, etc., it was always dismissed as excuses and whining.
When Tom Brady loses in the playoffs, it's everyone's fault but his. When Tom Brady throws interceptions in the playoffs, people say things like 'well the interceptions don't really count because xyz'. When Tom Brady puts up bad stats or QB ratings in the playoffs, stats don't tell the story. When anyone points to any of these things, people blame it on drops, receivers running the wrong route, etc. and it's everyone's fault but Brady's.
For instance:
Peyton Manning v. Ravens: 28-43, 290 yards, 3 TD, 2 INT, 88.3 rating. Put his team in a position where they had something like a 98% chance of winning with 30 seconds left, only to be shocked by the 'Flacco Fling' and a safety who appeared to have had a stroke on the interception attempt.
Yet there was a 'hatorade' thread in which everyone relished in another one and done choke for Manning.
Tom Brady v. Ravens: 29-54, 320 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT, 62.3 rating. Brady's picks included an endzone interception on a drive that would otherwise have resulted in at least 3 points. He was unable to lead a drive resulting in the score a single point in the second half of the game.
Yet this is not seen as a "choke", in fact many fans here, if not most, defend Brady's play as just fine, or even good, shifting blame away from him, saying he can't do it all himself, and blaming anyone else they can.
Don't get me wrong, this is a Pats forum, and so it's natural for there to be a certain distaste for Peyton Manning, but it's comical to see how blindly hypocritical so many fans here are. So eager and willing to label Manning a choker and dump the blame for essentially all of his playoff losses squarely on his shoulders, yet completely incapable of looking at the play of their own quarterback objectively enough to realize that since 2005, Brady hasn't been any better.
Whats sad and comical is your post, and that you spent so much time on it. It has so many problems with reality. Manning did choke and had 1 SB win. If the Saints beat the Bears he would have probably lost that SB. Brady did not and has 3. I cant even believe I spent the time to read this.
..and Im am a Patriots fan, but a Saints fan 1st, and know Payton Manning very well. We dont dislike him, he was born here. Mine is an objective view.
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Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
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Originally Posted by supafly
Ian and the mods should consider developing a sub-forum.
They could call it something catchy like "spoiled milk" or something, where all of the spoiled fans who come up with this crazy stuff can collaberate together and talk about how their team sucks collectively as a unit, and individually with each separate player.
Certain thread topics would be:
"When should we look for a new head coach?"
"Brady has lost it...I can tell by the way he hunches his shoulders"
Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
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Originally Posted by GrassyKneel
It's both sad and comical how blatant a double standard there is on this board when it comes to the play of Tom Brady.
When Peyton Manning loses in the playoffs, he choked. When Peyton Manning throws interceptions in the playoffs, it's because he's not clutch enough for the big games. When Peyton Manning puts up bad stats or QB ratings in the playoffs (even when the result is a W), it's all evidence of how he's incapable of post season play. When Colts fans used to chalk it up to drops, receivers running the wrong route, etc., it was always dismissed as excuses and whining.
When Tom Brady loses in the playoffs, it's everyone's fault but his. When Tom Brady throws interceptions in the playoffs, people say things like 'well the interceptions don't really count because xyz'. When Tom Brady puts up bad stats or QB ratings in the playoffs, stats don't tell the story. When anyone points to any of these things, people blame it on drops, receivers running the wrong route, etc. and it's everyone's fault but Brady's.
You lost me when you started to compare the NFL's "winningest" QB of all time in the playoffs vs the guy who holds the title of NFL's most games lost ever in the playoffs.
Brady---won 17 playoff games, more than any other QB in NFL history. He has also taken his team to at least the AFCCG or better in 7 of his 12 full seasons, for an almost 2/3rds rate of making it every single season.
On top of that he is 5-2 in those AFC championship games, and has 5 SB appearances in 12 yrs.
vs.
Manning---no one has lost more times in the NFL playoffs at 12 losses. On top of that Mr.Manning has gone "one and done" in EIGHT of 12 appearances all time.
He also has never won a playoff game in temperatures below 60 degrees.
Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
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Originally Posted by supafly
Ian and the mods should consider developing a sub-forum.
They could call it something catchy like "spoiled milk" or something, where all of the spoiled fans who come up with this crazy stuff can collaberate together and talk about how their team sucks collectively as a unit, and individually with each separate player.
Certain thread topics would be:
"When should we look for a new head coach?"
"Brady has lost it...I can tell by the way he hunches his shoulders"
"We need a new kicker to win more games"
"All butterfingers Welker does is drop the ball"
"This offense sucks in every big game"
"Trade Brady"
ETC, ETC, ETC......
It truly scares me how little some people who post here know about NFL football and the Patriots. It's like righteous ignorance run amok.
Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
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Originally Posted by Tunescribe
Not being a blind homer is no sin, son. I certainly don't own the message board here and no one casts a more critical eye on this team than yours truly. But it will help your cause immensely if you really think things through before posting. Your wild conjecture about Tom Brady and his playoff performance has no basis in reality and suggests a naively painful lack of knowledge.
and neither do I, Joe Kerr, profess to own this message board...I do, however, OWN and OPERATE a string of Holiday Inns that I rotate stays at...so...watch out...
Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
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Originally Posted by Tunescribe
Not being a blind homer is no sin, son. I certainly don't own the message board here and no one casts a more critical eye on this team than yours truly. But it will help your cause immensely if you really think things through before posting. Your wild conjecture about Tom Brady and his playoff performance has no basis in reality and suggests a naively painful lack of knowledge.
Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
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Originally Posted by GrassyKneel
It's both sad and comical how blatant a double standard there is on this board when it comes to the play of Tom Brady.
When Peyton Manning loses in the playoffs, he choked. When Peyton Manning throws interceptions in the playoffs, it's because he's not clutch enough for the big games. When Peyton Manning puts up bad stats or QB ratings in the playoffs (even when the result is a W), it's all evidence of how he's incapable of post season play. When Colts fans used to chalk it up to drops, receivers running the wrong route, etc., it was always dismissed as excuses and whining.
If you can seriously think the difference between these 2 QBs is a 'double standard' you should give up watching, and particularly posting on message boards, esp this one, about football.
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When Tom Brady loses in the playoffs, it's everyone's fault but his. When Tom Brady throws interceptions in the playoffs, people say things like 'well the interceptions don't really count because xyz'. When Tom Brady puts up bad stats or QB ratings in the playoffs, stats don't tell the story. When anyone points to any of these things, people blame it on drops, receivers running the wrong route, etc. and it's everyone's fault but Brady's.
You are in the middle of a thread with Pats fans calling Brady a choker.
Please point to any example of any of the things you are saying here.
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For instance:
Peyton Manning v. Ravens: 28-43, 290 yards, 3 TD, 2 INT, 88.3 rating. Put his team in a position where they had something like a 98% chance of winning with 30 seconds left, only to be shocked by the 'Flacco Fling' and a safety who appeared to have had a stroke on the interception attempt.
Yet there was a 'hatorade' thread in which everyone relished in another one and done choke for Manning.
What does enjoying a rival losing have to do with your point?
And who threw the game clinching Int?
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Tom Brady v. Ravens: 29-54, 320 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT, 62.3 rating. Brady's picks included an endzone interception on a drive that would otherwise have resulted in at least 3 points. He was unable to lead a drive resulting in the score a single point in the second half of the game.
Yet this is not seen as a "choke", in fact many fans here, if not most, defend Brady's play as just fine, or even good, shifting blame away from him, saying he can't do it all himself, and blaming anyone else they can.
Because it is totally ignorant to describe this as Brady choking unless you bury your head in a stat sheet and ignore what happens on the field.
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Don't get me wrong, this is a Pats forum, and so it's natural for there to be a certain distaste for Peyton Manning, but it's comical to see how blindly hypocritical so many fans here are. So eager and willing to label Manning a choker and dump the blame for essentially all of his playoff losses squarely on his shoulders, yet completely incapable of looking at the play of their own quarterback objectively enough to realize that since 2005, Brady hasn't been any better.
Highest winning % in NFL history and the most playoff wins ever,
vs. the most playoff losses, and most one and dones ever.
You be the judge.
Brady hasn't changed, the 2 teams that have this teams # is Baltimore and the giants. They always have. Brady and the team just couldn't get it done. Missed opportunities early set the game. Imagine if we would of been our usual selves and scoring in the red zone almost every time? Wouldn't have been so lopsided. I truly see a 2001-2004 Super Bowl on the verge of returning for us. Young D now getting settled, O is getting ready to be perfect. This team is ready to be dominant. Brady has been reliable to win and help us. But not everyone can be as flawless as he has been. He will have a bad game once in awhile. Get ready pats nation, the best has yet to come.........
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