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Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
To me choke IMHO means losing to a clearly inferior team/competition.
If we are going to say Tom Brady choked then I guess we have to say Kurt Waner choked in Super Bowl XXXVI? Clearly they were the "greatest show on turf."
Of course we know that wasn't the case-The Rams played an underrated great team with a great game plan.
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Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
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I don't think any of us posting here have the slightest idea about what it really takes to succeed in the NFL at the level at which Tom Brady has succeeded.
We can have some vague idea of the roles that skill, commitment, hard work, teammates, coaching, the competition...and yes, a little luck...play, but we really can't understand the intangible mix that has to come together to produce greatness and Championships in this very difficult sport.
Whatever that mix is, Brady clearly has found it. The numbers he put up this year (number two in ESPN's QBR, number six by the traditional Pass Rating measure) suggest that his skills are still where they need to be, as they have been for several years.
Why did he win three League Championships in his first four years as starter without winning another over the next eight (seven) years, despite there more trips to the AFCCG and two more to the SB?
I don't know for sure, and neither does anyone else posting in this thread, but it has something to do with how all the pieces did or didn't come together at the right time.
Because we are blessed with Brady and Belichick, I sometimes also think we tend to overlook the fact that "the other guys are pretty darn good too." That's why I defended Flacco out here before the AFCCG and why I have always come to Peyton's defense when the Peyton Hate gets a little too much to stomach. Flacco isn't in Brady or P. Manning's class, but he sure isn't the doofus some were painting him to be.
So, let's stop this talk about mental blocks or whatever. I can only imagine that those who know Brady the best would just laugh at that suggestion, if they even wasted their time reading it.
Nice post, but it's the same thing myself and others have tried to convey throughout this monstrosity. The hope is that those who say Brady "choked" or has a "mental block" will educate themselves and realize the irrationality of such ignorantly simplistic claims. Sadly, the game's sheer complexity eludes them.
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Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
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Nice post, but it's the same thing myself and others have tried to convey throughout this monstrosity. The hope is that those who say Brady "choked" or has a "mental block" will educate themselves and realize the irrationality of such ignorantly simplistic claims. Sadly, the game's sheer complexity eludes them.
the notion of 'choking' is a stretch.....I don't believe this is true.....
what I do believe is that the number of teams out there capable of disrupting the things that brady excels at is increasing........
unfortunately, I don't believe Brady will want to change things up enough to where he is not as critical to the success of the pats offense......if he really wants to win another championship, it will only happen by making this offense more run oriented, therefore providing fewer, but better opportunities for the passing game.
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Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
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Nice post, but it's the same thing myself and others have tried to convey throughout this monstrosity. The hope is that those who say Brady "choked" or has a "mental block" will educate themselves and realize the irrationality of such ignorantly simplistic claims. Sadly, the game's sheer complexity eludes them.
What an arogant statement. Some of you care more about brady and his legacy than you do the team he plays for.
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Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
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the notion of 'choking' is a stretch.....I don't believe this is true.....
what I do believe is that the number of teams out there capable of disrupting the things that brady excels at is increasing........
unfortunately, I don't believe Brady will want to change things up enough to where he is not as critical to the success of the pats offense......if he really wants to win another championship, it will only happen by making this offense more run oriented, therefore providing fewer, but better opportunities for the passing game.
You're right on the need for greater balance and less on Brady's shoulders. But the choice is not his, it's the coaching staff's, and has again as much to do with the cyclical process of roster building. I've said it before in this thread: compare how the Pats roster and schematic emphases were built in the Super Bowl WINNING years vs. the last five years. They're cycling around to becoming a similarly complete team once again. Brady has been key to the Pats being competitive in the interim.
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What an arogant statement. Some of you care more about brady and his legacy than you do the team he plays for.
Simple minds often confuse things they don't understand with arrogance.
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Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
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the notion of 'choking' is a stretch.....I don't believe this is true.....
what I do believe is that the number of teams out there capable of disrupting the things that brady excels at is increasing........
unfortunately, I don't believe Brady will want to change things up enough to where he is not as critical to the success of the pats offense......if he really wants to win another championship, it will only happen by making this offense more run oriented, therefore providing fewer, but better opportunities for the passing game.
Those decisions are made above Brady's paygrade. Those are philosophical decisions and the OC and ultimately the HC are responsible for them. They game plan and set rosters. Brady is one of the most adaptable QB's to ever play the game. He doesn't care about how they score as long as they do. It's not his fault that they have become a far better passing than running team. That is what Bill has chosen to focus his offense on since 2007. In part because Dillon was one and done and Maroney never panned out and Polian got the rules tweeked. He seems to want to shift to a more balanced offense of late, probably because the pass happy option he persued beginning in 2007 hasn't panned out come playoff time. And he's concerned about Welker's shelf life, and he can't seem to locate that perimeter WR to stretch defenses and his dream TE centric offense hasn't been able to stay on the field. But the simple fact is he doesn't yet trust the running game, whether with good reason not entirely apparent to the peanut gallery or not. Ridley was benched for the playoffs last season due to fumbling issues late in the season. Vereen was essentially red shirted. Sadly Ridley had a costly fumble against Baltimore. And while Vereen had a breakout game against the Texans, it was largely as a receiver. And coaches chose not to feature him in the Baltimore game plan until he had to be featured after Ridley was knocked out he didn't exactly light them up.
Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
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What an arogant statement. Some of you care more about brady and his legacy than you do the team he plays for.
LOL Some of you guys just care more about pointing at a single scapegoat for your crushing disappointment than you do actually understanding how something like that ever happens.
Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
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Nice post, but it's the same thing myself and others have tried to convey throughout this monstrosity. The hope is that those who say Brady "choked" or has a "mental block" will educate themselves and realize the irrationality of such ignorantly simplistic claims. Sadly, the game's sheer complexity eludes them.
The old adage you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink also applies to the jackass...
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Re: Elephant in the Room -- Tom Brady's Mental block in big games
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