Broncos: Easiest path to the #1 seed ever? - Page 36 - New England Patriots Forums

TinhWoodhead · 01-01-2013, 03:18 PM

Denver would probably have the same record had Tim Tebow been the QB this year.

Claremonster · 01-01-2013, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BananaRepublican

Sorry, I don't put Patriotism before the game itself. Manning's an all time great and he's a personal friend of Tom's. That speaks much louder than the cherry picked stats of fans. Anybody calling himself a fan of Tom who denigrates his friend and fellow great QB is not a fan of this sport. That's my bottom line. I will defend it at times. I know, I know, this means I'm mentally defective because I don't put the personality cult above the sport. Fine.

BTW, I would defend Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly and a few others just as quickly as Manning. It's the principle, not the personality.

DENVERBRONCOS2012 · 01-01-2013, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by josh24

Read the post again. I'm not talking about all the opponents, just the ones you beat. Your team made it the easy way because they lost to real threats (NE, HOU and ATL) and won against the easy ones.

You cherry picked numbers but do not realize that by doing so you exposed the fact that the broncos had a fairly competitive schedule at 46%.

Hey, the pats lost to a real bad team and struggled against the jags recently...see what I did there.

DENVERBRONCOS2012 · 01-01-2013, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ivan

Denver may have had the easiest road to their seed, that's debatable, however they have the hardest road to winning the Super bowl, as to do so they have to win 14 in a row, and the only team to do that in the last 15 years was the 2003 Patriots. Long winning streaks entering the play-offs seem to be a real problem in terms of winning the tournament.

Yeah but the pats have yet this season to win on the road against a winning team. And the broncos are best at their own turf. So how do the broncos have a tough road to the SB? Arent we going by this season data or should I pull the fact that the broncos own the pats all time?

DENVERBRONCOS2012 · 01-01-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by josh24

DEN went 7-1 at home. Those 7 teams they beat at home combined for a 17-39 record on the road (0.30357 W-L%).
NE went 6-2 at home. Those 6 teams they beat at home combined for a 23-25 record on the road (0.47917 W-L%).

DEN went 6-2 on the road. Those 6 teams they beat on the road combined for a 20-28 record at home (0.41667 W-L%).
NE went 6-2 on the road. Those 6 teams they beat on the road combined for a 21-27 record at home (0.43750 W-L%).

'Nuff said.

And yet the pats still havent beat a winning team on the road.

Nice job cherry picking stats but us rational folks arent buying it. You can post the broncos record for a portion of the season all you want but you also fail to talk about the 2-14 record of the chiefs skewing those numbers....thats spin buddy

TommyBrady12 · 01-01-2013, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DENVERBRONCOS2012

Yeah but the pats have yet this season to win on the road against a winning team. And the broncos are best at their own turf. So how do the broncos have a tough road to the SB? Arent we going by this season data or should I pull the fact that the broncos own the pats all time?

wow you talk a lot of smack for a guy whose team gave up 100+ points to the patriots combined in the last 3 meetings.

to answer your question, the broncos probably have just as tough a road to the super bowl as the patriots. we likely have to go through each other to get there. however, the patriots faced tougher defenses all season, including seattle, houston and san francisco. denver has not faced as many tough teams all year and as a result is not battle tested. to win the super bowl denver has to win 14 games in a row - not easy.

TommyBrady12 · 01-01-2013, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DENVERBRONCOS2012

And yet the pats still havent beat a winning team on the road.

Nice job cherry picking stats but us rational folks arent buying it. You can post the broncos record for a portion of the season all you want but you also fail to talk about the 2-14 record of the chiefs skewing those numbers....thats spin buddy

what's your point regarding the patriots not beating a winning team on the road? they only played 2 winning teams on the road and came close to beating them both. all we know is the broncos haven't beaten the patriots since McD was their coach.

***Deus Irae*** · 01-01-2013, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DENVERBRONCOS2012

You cherry picked numbers but do not realize that by doing so you exposed the fact that the broncos had a fairly competitive schedule at 46%.

Hey, the pats lost to a real bad team and struggled against the jags recently...see what I did there.

Your lack of reading comprehension does not mean that the other poster "exposed" anything.

Archeryaddict12 · 01-01-2013, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DENVERBRONCOS2012

And yet the pats still havent beat a winning team on the road.

Nice job cherry picking stats but us rational folks arent buying it. You can post the broncos record for a portion of the season all you want but you also fail to talk about the 2-14 record of the chiefs skewing those numbers....thats spin buddy

So wait you guys have managed maybe 60 points in 3 meetings to our 100+. We can score 40 at your stadium as well as ours in the cold. Just face it, broncos aren't as good, manning isn't as good as Brady and your D isn't as good as ours. That's why we win.

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broncosgc · 01-01-2013, 04:13 PM

i tried lurking for as long as i can but i eventually couldnt resist..

i think NE fans have every right to feel confident but some are going above and beyond to try and convince themselves Denver isn't a good team... easiest path to the #1 seed ever... wow talk about sour grapes... put the haterade down, lol... its not a good look...

as far as the schedule... at the start of the season the schedule was considered the 2nd toughest in the nfl, now its a cupcake...
Denver played 5 playoff teams and numerous bubble playoff teams... they lost to the Texans,Falcons and Pats early on and beat the Bengals and Ravens... the 3 losses have been debated to death on here... Denver's defense shut down the Saints offense, and beat teams that at the time were very much in playoff contention such as TB, SD, and Pit... the Broncos are winning and win convincingly... beating every team by a TD or more... that doesnt happen often in this league... at the end of the day, trying to discredit a team's wins wreaks of desperation... it just isnt a good look...

when NE lost to the cards i didnt blink, i knew the Pats were still a top team... its not easy to win against nfl calibur teams week to week... an 11 game win streak says something about a team whether you want to admit it or not...

teams arent usually arent the same all season long... a lot happens in 4 months... at midseason, the Bears and Texans each looked like the best teams in football while NE and Den were 4-3... and look now...

as a broncos fan, i am concerned about the Pats becasue theyre a good team... they have a dangerous offense to go along with an improving defense... how a Pats fan can say they arent at all concerned about a team that went 13-3, that has a top 5 off, top 5 defense and top pass rush in football and top 3 run defense... and reason being because they beat them 3 months ago by 10 at home is a bit delusional in my humble opinion...

as stated earlier, i am sure the Pats arent the same as when Denver played them last, and i'm sure you can give numerous reasons why... let me touch on how Denver is different...

first off, its a waste to mention the Pats dominance of Denver's d last year... Denver has 8 different on defense from last year... almost complete turnover and also a different defensive coordinator...

however even from when DenNE played this year it is vastly different... not just chemistry wise, but personnel wise... Denver's biggest problem was its coverage LBs against NE... the short passing game crushed them... Joe Mays was the starting mlb and the #1 problem... he couldnt cover and he struggled against the run... he's been since long benched... woodyard and DJ Williams have been our coverage LBs now and have both been much better... also, porter was a starting corner at the time and omar bolden was the 3rd corner... both have been demoted and chris harris has been moved up and tony carter... carter-harris-champ enjoyed a terrific reg season in coverage... if you face Denver this time Brady will be facing a different secondary and LB crew... DJ williams was suspended at the time, he's back and our corners have been terrific... personnell wise the defense is much different and add the chemistry built since, Denver is a different defense now...

none of this means that Denver wins if they play, it just means that putting so much stock into the last game played as the reason for victory is poor logic... both Den and NE are different now...

also, Denver's special teams has improved since... Holiday is a dangerous return man that wasnt on the roster when Den last played NE...

as of now Denver passes the ball at a high level, runs the ball effectively, stops the run as good as any team, and rushes the passer as good as any team... why anyone would be excited about facing that is beyond me...

personally, i am very concerend about NE... they are a great team...