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Old 12-24-2012, 08:30 AM   #1
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RG3, Luck, Wilson, Kaepernick, the rising stars of the NFL. They all have one thing in common: mobility. In the next few years when they get more experience, they will be even more dangerous. We can also assume, since it is a copy cat league, we could very wrll see a slew of fast mobile qb's being drafted.

Our front 7 is very stout as well as very good, but they are not very fast, I believe that the future of our defense should be to cater to these new mobile qb's. Since it is very likely the Superbowl will be reprsented by one of them. The Giants showed the last few years what a fast defense can do and now the Seahawks are evolving this idea even further putting themselves ahead of the game with tremendous results.

How do you guys feel about this? Is this a new era for QB's and defenses?? Will our defensive philosophy be outdated?

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Mobile QBs aren't new. Fran Tarkenton, Roger Staubach and Steve Young were all mobile guys. Colin Kaepernick is basically Randall Cunningham.

Mobility presents problems, no doubt about it. Mobile QBs also tend to take a beating, and many tend to wear down quickly. Those who combine durability and accuracy with mobility are very tough.

What may be new is the number of accurate and mobile QBs in the era of pass-happy rules. It certainly presents some challenges for defenses. Quickness and pursuit will probably be more important than ever. But I'm guessing that the majority of mobile QBs won't last. Look at Vince Young, Ryan Fitzpatrick, etc. The best ones will probably be guys who aren't so much "mobile" QBs as pocket QBs with athleticism, like Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck.
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Like I said, if you can be mobile + durable + accurate then you have something going. Michael Vick has offered the mobile part, but not so much the other 2.
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These new crop of mobile QB's are vastly different in that they are actually very good and accurate throwing the ball. Even If they weren't mobile all of these guys are pro bowl potential passers, the running game just gives them another element. Plus these guys with the exception of RG3 are taught to slide before they come into contact which could extend their careers. The fact that these 4 are emerging at the same time could usher in a new age.

With that said I think fast defenses are the future.
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These new crop of mobile QB's are vastly different in that they are actually very good and accurate throwing the ball. Even If they weren't mobile all of these guys are pro bowl potential passers, the running game just gives them another element. Plus these guys with the exception of RG3 are taught to slide before they come into contact which could extend their careers. The fact that these 4 are emerging at the same time could usher in a new age.

With that said I think fast defenses are the future.
I wouldn't rush to declare this guys pro bowl passers just yet. Kaepernick has a strong arm but he's really a run QB who uses the threat of the pass to set up SFs running game. When Seattle took away the run he was pretty toothless last night against a good secondary. Cam Newton has a strong arm, but I wouldn't call him a pro bowl passer. RGIII and Russell Wilson are the more intersting guys to me, and I think both have the intangibles to make them likely to be around for a long time, if they don't get the crap beat out of them. That's always a major question mark with mobile QBs. Injuries take a toll, and when the mobility starts to go, it changes things dramatically. But there's no doubt those 2 guys are going to make things interesting for a while.
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Mobility presents problems, no doubt about it. Mobile QBs also tend to take a beating, and many tend to wear down quickly. Those who combine durability and accuracy with mobility are very tough.

Good point. Go ask Vick how his mobility has served him....

Also, throwing ACCURATELY on the move is MUCH harder.
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Good point. Go ask Vick how his mobility has served him....

Also, throwing ACCURATELY on the move is MUCH harder.
It's very hard. Balls tend to sail, it's much harder to gauge how your momemum is going to affect the throw vs. being planted. Plus mobile QBs take a ton of hits. Even guys who aren't running QBs, just guys who tend to use their mobility outside of the pocket more. Look how many hits guys like Aaron Rodgers and Ben Rothlisberger take vs. guys like Brady and Manning, who get rid of the ball quickly, and who's definition of "mobility" is stepping up in the pocket. RGIII has already taken a couple of good shots this season, and not been far away from a significant injury. It's an occupational hazard that goes with that style of play.
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We have a potentially quick DE in Jones. The big LB corps needs one quick platoon member added, someone who can play QB contain and get in the same zipcode as a TE or RB.
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We have a potentially quick DE in Jones. The big LB corps needs one quick platoon member added, someone who can play QB contain and get in the same zipcode as a TE or RB.
Dane Fletcher did some of that in previous years. But that kind of player is definitely needed.
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