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Old 12-12-2012, 08:45 PM   #141
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I wonder if these guys have ever had a look at Joe Montana's playoff stats?

Gd forbid Brady ever lose a playoff game to the Giants by the score of 49-3--he would be crucified!!!!

He also lost to the Giants 17-3 two years earlier.

And to cap it off, 4 years after that, he lost to the Giants 15-13.

Montana lost in the playoffs to the Giants the last 3 times he met them there.

And yet you hear nothing about how Phil Simms is a more clutch QB than Joe Montana.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:47 PM   #142
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I know some people think the MVP isn't all that important, and that Tom doesn't care that much, which to a certain extent, it is true.

But the MVP isn't just about Tom. It's about us, the fans too. Personally I want Tom to get the recognition he deserves and feel he's earned it from every possible category.

Now one could argue that because the quarterbacks are so even, and they have such a huge impact on the game, that when someone like Adrian Peterson does what he does, it means more.

I can see that argument, and I wouldn't be too upset if it went to him over Tom, but to give it to Manning, another quarterback who has done less, just because he has come back from an injury....well that just pisses me off.

He certainly should be in the consideration for Comeback Player of the Year, but that should not factor into the MVP discussion.
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How is Adrian Peterson not being considered here?
In short: because if he was as valuable as Brady or Manning, then the Vikings wouldn't be 7-6.
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WTF?

Dude, before this year, he's never played with any of the guys he's playing now besides Stokley.

Brady, Ryan, Rogers, AP, and all these other guys have largely played with the same personnel for the past few years.
how many starts did Tebow have with he same crew when he was thrown in as a starter last year and went 7-4? ? ? ? ? Was Tebow a leading canidate for teh MVP last year . . . ? no . .,.
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I want Brady to win the MVP . . . i am tired of the 4 MVPs talks about manning . . .where teh4 2008 one was shaky . . . nice to have a 3rd mvp next to TBs name . . . and as he is in the hunt for one I want him to close the deal and get it . . .

the two games this weekend for the broncos and pats will help decide the debate . . . TB has an opportunity to beat another top team . . . we'll have to wait and see . ..
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I was championing Rodgers at the midpoint, but here's the major reason he shouldn't be an MVP contender: 41 sacks. If he's thrown away the ball half those times, he'd have as many as Brady or Manning, with a much worse QB rating. I hate how sacks don't factor into the traditional QB rating formula- Big Ben is another one who stat line looks better because a sack does not show up on the stat line, while an incompletion is 0/1, 0.0 average. It makes no sense.
In the ESPN QBR they are. But I don't agree with your argument completely. Yes, you're right, Rodgers hangs onto the ball too long sometimes because he'd rather risk a sack rather than risk an INT. That's his style, but that's not the #1 reason why he's got that many sacks. Packers OL is the weakest link in their team.

Brady has had better pass protection and it's not even close. Brady has far more time to stay in the pocket and check off receivers that Rodgers has. Rodgers has about enough time to dump it off to Cobb just to save his arse. He is not comfortable in the pocket at all this season and it shows.

That being said, no way Rodgers should be in consideration for MVP this year.

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If Adrian Peterson runs for over 2000 yards and propels the Vikings into a WC playoff seed, he should win the MVP hands down. Christian Ponder is a LMAO qb who looks good and makes the female sportscasters swoon, but that's about all he's worth.

Manning? meh. I agree with most of the posters here. He's the golden boy that all the talking heads want to be the MVP. Brady has had the better season. This team is now the prohibitive favorite for the SB from the AFC and the favorite to win it all. Brady is running this team like a race car.
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Manning should get an Award for stealing the most Awards not earned, lol, took 2 of Brees in his prime. Im sure he will get this one, and like always it makes no sense. Manning only rates #1 on Net yards and Sack %. Brees as bad as he has been sometimes still beats his figures.
But if you look at all the data Brady clearly deserves to be MVP.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...12/leaders.htm

Which probably will not happen because MVP's are PM superBowls, and Brady is very over looked for a lot of awards because hes consistently good and they want to distribute the wealth I guess.

I mean why did Brady win Sports Illustrated sportsman of the year in only 2005 ? and not 2007, lol. Its seems silly when Brees won in 2010. Brady should have had that award more times. Just a thought. I think hes cheated out of a lot of awards sometimes.

Should have been MVP 2011 I thought
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In short: because if he was as valuable as Brady or Manning, then the Vikings wouldn't be 7-6.
The Vikings record would probably be better if Christian Ponder stopped turning over the football. Also, replace AP with Toby Gerhart and that team is not 7-6. They're probably a 3 perhaps 4 win team.
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Manning should get an Award for stealing the most Awards not earned, lol, took 2 of Brees in his prime. Im sure he will get this one, and like always it makes no sense. Manning only rates #1 on Net yards and Sack %. Brees as bad as he has been sometimes still beats his figures.
But if you look at all the data Brady clearly deserves to be MVP.

2012 NFL Leaders and Leaderboards - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Which probably will not happen because MVP's are PM superBowls, and Brady is very over looked for a lot of awards because hes consistently good and they want to distribute the wealth I guess.

I mean why did Brady win Sports Illustrated sportsman of the year in only 2005 ? and not 2007, lol. Its seems silly when Brees won in 2010. Brady should have had that award more times. Just a thought. I think hes cheated out of a lot of awards sometimes.

Should have been MVP 2011 I thought
He stole it from Drew Brees in 2009 as well. I ran out of F***S to give about that irrelevant award. I'll be happy if Brady wins it & I'll be even more happy if he doesn't. Brady should be 1st,AP should be 2nd & Peyton should be 3rd in the MVP votes IMO. I still can't believe how Rodgers is getting completely ignored this season. I know he won it last year. But what that dude has done this year has been remarkable. He literally put that team on his back. I won't mind AP winning @ all. He proved he's still without a doubt the best RB in the league. Good luck to Brady,Peterson & Manning! May the best man win.
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