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I know but its my team, its a custom here. Good and bad. we support them and represent them. And we should be ashamed.
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Well you should not be proud of it, but on the other hand I agree with Deus in that you did nothing personally wrong and there fore should carry no guilt or shame in this matter.
There was an issue, it has been fixed, so move on.
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Well you should not be proud of it, but on the other hand I agree with Deus in that you did nothing personally wrong and there fore should carry no guilt or shame in this matter.
There was an issue, it has been fixed, so move on.
Nice of you to say, but we are the representatives of the Saints. WE welcome other teams into our Dome and try to make them feel welcome. WE love other fans and try to talk them when they are here. We love this game. Its not as easy as something for us to move on. We are in love and connected to this team, and should bear the same responsibility for there actions.
Maybe we wanted a SB so bad we turned a blind eye
We did something wrong, and they are right about it. Its a culture shock for us. But your very kind, thank you. But, we are responsible also. We could have stopped the culture , and didn't .
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But that would be a different animal to me--if he'd just been talking a good game and shooting his mouth off to fire up the players, but he actually offered his players money and PAID them when they made a hit injuring another player. That, to me, is what separates this from the typical way coaches talk up their players. Paying someone under-the-table compensation specifically to hurt another person in derivation of the rules of the game is simply criminal.
Let me ask you this, do you think a player would be angry if they were to learn the opposing player, who delivered a clean but hard hit, was thrown extra cash by the coach afterwards?
OTOH, suppose a player was concussed out of the game because of an absolutely dirty hit, yet he gets no bonus from his coach? How does the injured player feel?
If one is injured through legitimate and hard contact that's simply part of the game, I don't think cash rewards are relevant, I wouldnt hold it against a guy if he laid me out through a hard hit, he's doing his job, dirty play is something different altogether and that's where the focus should be. Unfortunately I think this incident will result in less prosecution of dirty play but rather more scrutiny on the language of incentives within player contracts.
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If one is injured through legitimate and hard contact that's simply part of the game, I don't think cash rewards are relevant, I wouldnt hold it against a guy if he laid me out through a hard hit, he's doing his job, dirty play is something different altogether and that's where the focus should be. Unfortunately I think this incident will result in less prosecution of dirty play but rather more scrutiny on the language of incentives within player contracts.
The change of this is that football and the NFL needs to decide what it's culture is.
Across all modern sports, there is a code in which you do not attempt to purposely injure other players. Since football is the most violent sport, it is the hardest sport for this code to live in. But it still should.
Respect for one's opponent and a proper perspective on things like player health are fundamental things that separate us from the times of Gladiators and blood sports. Greg Williams is missing these things. He's a neanderthal.
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Nice of you to say, but we are the representatives of the Saints. WE welcome other teams into our Dome and try to make them feel welcome. WE love other fans and try to talk them when they are here. We love this game. Its not as easy as something for us to move on. We are in love and connected to this team, and should bear the same responsibility for there actions.
Maybe we wanted a SB so bad we turned a blind eye
We did something wrong, and they are right about it. Its a culture shock for us. But your very kind, thank you. But, we are responsible also. We could have stopped the culture , and didn't .
The change of this is that football and the NFL needs to decide what it's culture is.
Across all modern sports, there is a code in which you do not attempt to purposely injure other players. Since football is the most violent sport, it is the hardest sport for this code to live in. But it still should.
Respect for one's opponent and a proper perspective on things like player health are fundamental things that separate us from the times of Gladiators and blood sports. Greg Williams is missing these things. He's a neanderthal.
Here's the thing, are you going to actually change the culture or will you simply give the impression of a culture change with the core being exactly the same? I think that if most players had a choice between a loss in a critical game and a win that required another player to be injured they'd pick the later in a heartbeat. I might very well be wrong but that's what I've gathered from my observations.
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saintsreport is full of new comers and bandwagon fans. blackandgold is where a lot of the old time fans talk, and don't be sorry. I apologize theres no way you could know.
Saintsreport has been full of retards for a few years now. All of the rational posters seem to post in the subforums where thought it allowed and not in the main forum where its all "rah rah we're number 1" and if you say anything slightly negative you get jumped on and or banned.
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