Ravens making moves - Mckinnie - Page 2 - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard
NEWS
|
FORUM
|
PHOTOS
|
VIDEOS
|
FULL STATS DATABASE
|
PODCAST
|
RUMOR MILL
Get Social With PatsFans.com
Early Roster Projection
Ryan's Journey Started Early
POST DRAFT PODCAST

Go Back   New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard > PatsFans.com Forums > PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum > NFL Football Forum
Forgot Password? Join PatsFans.com!
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read Chat Room

WELCOME TO OUR FORUM HERE AT PATSFANS.COM!
ARE YOU NEW HERE? NOT LOGGED IN? PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REGISTER FOR AN ACCOUNT AND LOGIN TO REMOVE THIS WINDOW

Welcome to PatsFans.com. Do you have an account? If not - please take a moment to register for our forum and experience a much smoother experience with fewer ads, along with no longer having to see this notification window. Also learn about how you can receive a free Patriots T-Shirt from the Patriots Official ProShop by CLICKING HERE. Please enjoy your stay here, and Go Pats!

Like Tree7Likes

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-24-2011, 09:37 AM   #11
Practice Squad
 

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Toronto
Posts: 236
Default Re: Ravens making moves - Mckinnie

All it shows is that their tackles, including Michael Oher, have been playing really, really terribly.
HomerSchooled is offline  
FEATURED ADVERTISEMENT
DONATE TO PATSFANS.COM
RECEIVE A FREE PATS T-SHIRT AND SAVE 15% OFF WHEN YOU BUY FROM THE OFFICIAL PROSHOP!

Free T-Shirt & Save 15% Off!
Like Our Site? Please help support our site and server costs by DONATING TO PATSFANS.COM and receive a FREE PATRIOTS T-SHIRT and SAVE 15% off EVERY purchase you make from PatriotsProShop.com. You'll also receive added benefits to your account
including Removing All Ads During Your Experience Here At Our Forum.

NEEDED YEARLY SITE DONATIONS: 345 | CURRENT # OF SUBSCRIBED SUPPORTERS: 98

Updated 07/08/11

Help Us Reach Our Goal!

Old 08-24-2011, 09:48 AM   #12
Moderatrix
 
patchick's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: MA
Posts: 10,322
Default Re: Ravens making moves - Mckinnie

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerSchooled View Post
All it shows is that their tackles, including Michael Oher, have been playing really, really terribly.
I don't see how this is an indictment of Oher. He was the only quality OT on the roster, and a guaranteed starter. They still needed a starter opposite him plus a halfway decent swing tackle, so they tabbed Mckinnie and LeVoir. That said, I suspect Oher really belongs at RT.
Atlanta Patsfan and italia44 like this.
patchick is offline  
Old 08-24-2011, 12:15 PM   #13
Practice Squad
 

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Toronto
Posts: 236
Default Re: Ravens making moves - Mckinnie

Quote:
Originally Posted by patchick View Post
I don't see how this is an indictment of Oher. He was the only quality OT on the roster, and a guaranteed starter. They still needed a starter opposite him plus a halfway decent swing tackle, so they tabbed Mckinnie and LeVoir. That said, I suspect Oher really belongs at RT.
If McKinnie plays LT, and all indications are he will, it's certainly an indictment of Oher's play at that position. Had he been playing well there, they'd have pursued someone to play RT. Instead, they clearly weren't happy with either position's performance, so they tried to kill two birds with one stone by upgrading at LT and moving Oher back to RT. If McKinnie, a player cut from a middling Minnesota team, is an upgrade at LT, then Oher wasn't cutting it. You don't mess with good LT play.

Oher's reputation is propped up quite a bit from his high profile feel-good story. Everyone wants him to be great. I'm rooting for him too. But this is clearly a signing that a team who's OL had been playing well wouldn't have made.
HomerSchooled is offline  
Old 08-24-2011, 12:19 PM   #14
2nd Team Getting Their First Start
 
betterthanthealternative's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 1,931
Default Re: Ravens making moves - Mckinnie

Quote:
Originally Posted by patchick View Post
Psst...Michael Oher's still going to start for them.
Doh. In my defense, I'm suffering from a grade 10 summer cold. But still.
betterthanthealternative is offline  
Old 08-24-2011, 12:41 PM   #15
PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club
 
Deus Irae's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 35,447
Default Re: Ravens making moves - Mckinnie

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerSchooled View Post
If McKinnie plays LT, and all indications are he will, it's certainly an indictment of Oher's play at that position. Had he been playing well there, they'd have pursued someone to play RT. Instead, they clearly weren't happy with either position's performance, so they tried to kill two birds with one stone by upgrading at LT and moving Oher back to RT. If McKinnie, a player cut from a middling Minnesota team, is an upgrade at LT, then Oher wasn't cutting it. You don't mess with good LT play.

Oher's reputation is propped up quite a bit from his high profile feel-good story. Everyone wants him to be great. I'm rooting for him too. But this is clearly a signing that a team who's OL had been playing well wouldn't have made.
McKinnie has never played RT. It makes sense to move Oher in that case. And, per PFT, that's what's happening. McKinnie to start at LT, Oher to start at RT.
__________________
"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."
- Marcus Aurelius
Deus Irae is offline  
Old 08-24-2011, 12:44 PM   #16
Third String But Playing on Special Teams
 

Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 553
Default Re: Ravens making moves - Mckinnie

Quote:
Originally Posted by patchick View Post
I don't see how this is an indictment of Oher. He was the only quality OT on the roster, and a guaranteed starter. They still needed a starter opposite him plus a halfway decent swing tackle, so they tabbed Mckinnie and LeVoir. That said, I suspect Oher really belongs at RT.
Yup. Oher was a great RT and a not great LT. Ironic given the book and all but what can you say.
Shelterdog is offline  
Old 08-24-2011, 01:04 PM   #17
Rookie
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 36
Default Re: Ravens making moves - Mckinnie

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelterdog View Post
Yup. Oher was a great RT and a not great LT. Ironic given the book and all but what can you say.
... on sirius radio they are saying this as well ...

... moving Oher to RT where he is more comfortable ...

... McKinnie supposedly working himself back into shape now ... will be their LT ...


... ray lewis & ed reed will police the locker room & ensure McKinnie doesn't slack off ... he's been to the probowl before, so they expect him to return to that level ...

... all that being said, i'd think the ravens make moves to beat the steelers ... as jets & pats battle each other for division title & easier route in the post season ...
l_j_r is offline  
Old 08-24-2011, 02:23 PM   #18
Practice Squad
 

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Toronto
Posts: 236
Default Re: Ravens making moves - Mckinnie

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deus Irae View Post
McKinnie has never played RT. It makes sense to move Oher in that case. And, per PFT, that's what's happening. McKinnie to start at LT, Oher to start at RT.
Totally agree. All I'm saying is that had Oher been playing LT effectively, they wouldn't have signed another LT to start. You don't spite the left to improve the right, so they obviously hope to better both sides by this move. I'm not suggesting Oher isn't a good player and won't succeed at RT. All I'm saying is they clearly weren't happy with his LT play. Their whole OL has been struggling. I don't think anyone would dispute that.

Maybe it's just the RT position that's a disaster, and they're trying to get the best players possible on the field however they can. I just don't think anybody messes with proven success at the LT position, especially just for the sake of getting McKinnie on the field.
HomerSchooled is offline  
Old 08-24-2011, 02:25 PM   #19
PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club
 
Deus Irae's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 35,447
Default Re: Ravens making moves - Mckinnie

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerSchooled View Post
Totally agree. All I'm saying is that had Oher been playing LT effectively, they wouldn't have signed another LT to start. You don't spite the left to improve the right, so they obviously hope to better both sides by this move. I'm not suggesting Oher isn't a good player and won't succeed at RT. All I'm saying is they clearly weren't happy with his LT play. Their whole OL has been struggling. I don't think anyone would dispute that.

Maybe it's just the RT position that's a disaster, and they're trying to get the best players possible on the field however they can. I just don't think anybody messes with proven success at the LT position, especially just for the sake of getting McKinnie on the field.
The RT position is a disaster. They didn't get Gaither back, and the rookie they wanted to start hasn't been able to get the job done.
__________________
"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."
- Marcus Aurelius
Deus Irae is offline  
Old 08-24-2011, 03:23 PM   #20
Practice Squad
 

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Toronto
Posts: 236
Default Re: Ravens making moves - Mckinnie

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deus Irae View Post
The RT position is a disaster. They didn't get Gaither back, and the rookie they wanted to start hasn't been able to get the job done.
Again, I agree. It's obviously a disaster. But if he were a great LT, they wouldn't move him, no matter how dire the RT situation. Would you move Joe Thomas or Jake Long to the right side to get McKinnie on the field? I wouldn't. He's mediocre at best. I just don't think Baltimore would be willing to allow a precipitous fall off on the left side to improve the right, no matter how drastically. And if McKinnie's anything less than a major drop off from you, you are not a great LT.

Aside from this purely hypothetical stuff, anyone who watches Oher should be able to tell he's obviously not a stud LT. He's a penalty machine, and he allows a ton of sacks. Even Cunningham abused him last year. Their running game's effectiveness also fell off a cliff when they lost Gaither (from 4th in YPA in 2009 to 28th in 2010.) That's clearly not all on Oher, but that's still inexcusable.
HomerSchooled is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Sponsored Links



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2

© Copyright 2000-2012. PatsFans.com Is a Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties.
The opinions posted in this forum do not necessarily reflect the opinions of our staff at PatsFans.com or USA Today.
We are not affiliated with the New England Patriots™ or the NFL™. The Photo Used In the header was taken by Ian Logue.

This site is owned and operated by I&K Internet Design Enterprises, LLC