eifmp

Beisdes the question in the thread title, I do have some inquiries as a Jets fan...if you'll indulge me:

1) Even with all the bluster, ego, trash talking, and the high amount of hubris Do Pats fans actually respect the coaching ability & defensive mind of Rex Ryan?

2) Another Rex Ryan question: The Superbowl guarantees he makes every year: Good or bad for the NFL and the Jets?

3) Mark Sanchez seems to be a quarterback who plays between the range of poor and average during the regular season but then plays between good and very good during the playoffs. He is the opposite of Joe Flacco, who plays between the range of good - very good in the regular season and then plays poor in the post season. But this is just a Jets fan's opinion. Going into his third season, what is your frank opinion on Mark Sanchez and his future as an NFL quarterback?

4) Was the 28-21 Jets win over the Patriots in the playoffs last season a case of 'the better team won' or was it more a case of 'any given Sunday?'

5) From the outside looking in The Patriots could do with a pass rusher, especially seeing how they were unable to get to Sanchez in the playoff game? Then they released Tully Banta-Cain, who to me was more of a scheme sack guy than a natural pass rusher. How do you feel about the Patriots not adding a proven a pass rusher yet?

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Topic: Sure. They're a very good team. I also worry about the Colt's, Steeler's, etc.

1.) Respect, yes, like, no.

2.) Not really good or bad, it's his style. But when he promises it every season and keeps coming up short (close doesn't cut it, don't care how far you made it) he looks dumb.

3.) If Sanchez stops putting his team in terrible positions in some regular season games he has potential. Right now I wouldn't want him being anything more than a game manager. The Jets' don't need to score a lot of points when their defense plays as advertised.

4.) The Jets' played better in that game, sure. I don't know which team truly is better, I'd love to say the Pat's because I'm a fan, but they play completely opposite styles of football. Jets focus on defense, and more recently the Pat's focus on offense. Week 2 the defense won. Week (13?14?) the offense dominated. Playoffs, the defense won again.

5.) Remains to be seen. BB obviously thinks it isn't an issue or that he can do something with what is already on the roster. Personally, I would like to see Kiwanuka or Babin but any big name is really unlikely I'd say given this teams usual off season business.

ausbacker

1) Respect Rex Ryan's coaching ability.

2) Stupid (for obvious reasons).

3) Average QB with potential to be slightly above average if his accuracy improves.

4) Poor execution on the Patriots behalf and a well coached, well executed game plan by the Jets.

5) There's plenty of in-house additions that should improve the Patriots pass rush. That said I would prefer someone who can do it to a consistently high level opposite Cunningham was brought in.

supafly

I think a lot of us do respect the rivalry, and when it comes down to it we respect the coaching ability of Rex Ryan--just the same way that a lot of NYJ fans actually respect BB (behind closed doors). I think that's an honest and fair assessment.

I don't think that Rex is winning any fans over in regards to his big mouthed antics, but there does seem to be some sort of crazy method to it--we've all heard about the 'swag,' and there is some truth to that. In the meantime, his guarantees are getting old, so he'd better come through soon--for his sake.

Sanchez is not that great of a QB..but he is an average enough 'game manager' that he is able to keep them in the game in a competitive fashion. I do not think that many of us pats fans are worried about Sanchez--as a whole, but as he continues to gain experience etc, he does the have the potential to do better. After the NEP defense made him look like the 2nd coming of Marino last January, he has probably earned some respect. However, his 54% completion rate is sub-par, and he has shown a tendency to make some bad judgment errors and turnovers, even more that were flat out dropped last yr. I believe that he is at a 'crossroads' of sorts..he could improve and gain some 'earned' respect, or he could also be exposed for what many feel that he is.

While the playoff win over the NEP last yr was deserved in many ways due to the great schematic defensive formations of the NYJ etc, there were also many poor execution examples from the Pats too---one of the biggest ones that comes to mind is the botched punt-fake right before the half. That turned a 7-3 close and even game into a momentum shifting 14-3 halftime lead, with a stunning blow right before the half. When it came down to it, the Pats seconday/defense was the biggest culprit, as they allowed Sanchez to look like an all-pro QB out there, so I will give the NYJ their due credit, but a lot of it was also poor execution on the NEP part too. So even though the series between BB and RR was tied at 2-2 before this game, you have to give RR and the NYJ credit, as they have now won 3 of 5. I think this question may not be able to be fully answered, due to the smaller sample size, but I do know that many here did not respect or worry about the NYJ at all prior to the 2009 yr. I think that the rivalry has grown a lot closer, and has intensified. I also credit the team itself getting extremely pumped up the night before, and a great pre-game speech by the guy who 'just wanted the chance to play one more game.' To be honest, I had a bad feeling after hearing so many NYJ players talk about how they'd never been so pumped up for a game before. While some of it was 'any given Sunday,' some is also the resurgence and improvement by the team from NY. Just being honest.

The 'pass rush' problem that we currently have is somewhat overrated. If you look at the number of sacks from last yr, it was not that much lower that some of our SB years. The defense was likely the youngest in the entire NFL last yr, so the return of 2 key guys on IR + the improvement of 2nd/3rd yr players will combine with some recently great drafting to put the defense in a better position. NONE of us are worried about Tully Banta-Cain, as we all expected him to either be cut at the end of camp, or contribute very little as a backup role player this yr. The thing is, BB doesn't believe that too many can pick up AND exceed his complicated system as a DE/OLB conversion project, as proven by his lack of drafting the position in round one. He takes a different approach of improving the secondary (which he has done), and allowing a learning curve for some of the younger guys at OLB (Ninkovich, Cunningham, and even Moore). He has also preferred to go out and grab a more experienced NFL vet who knows the assignments and nuances better than taking a chance at the risk of wasting a pick on younger guys. That's his system. There is also the infamous thinking that he believes that all 3 levels of the defense compliment each other, so in other words...the pass rush will/should be improved by the front line and back line doing their jobs better and executing properly. That will add to more pressure, and show better results.

TommyD4207

I do not speak for all Patriots fans.

That's sort of a loaded question. I think Rex Ryan is a tremendous Defensive Coordinator. He's got a good attitude for it, his players like him and they buy into his defense, which is good.

What I don't think is that he's a good head coach. He's not. He does bonehead things and makes bonehead decisions throughout the course of games. Off the field, setting the creepy foot fetish stuff aside - he's good because he's got the media eating out of his hand. Truly like no one since Parcells that I've seen. However, the constant not only bragging but the disrespect for other opponents will be his undoing.

He also has a nasty habit of doing things "his way" and not adjusting the way the Jets do things. That makes them predictable.

You should ask this again at the end of the Jets season after another failure. Once is cute, Second is "well at least we did this!"...after this year, the NY Metro media is going to turn on him. I imagine ESPN will be first.

It's fine for the NFL because it gets exposure. Whatever.

It's bad long-term for the Jets, because twice now he's guaranteed SB wins, and twice the Jets have failed. Not "Wow, 2 AFCCGs in a row!" But no Super Bowl = Failure. Again, after this year, it won't be received quite as well as the novelty wears off.

I think Mark Sanchez could be the worst starting QB in the NFL right now.

The numbers don't lie. If you take Sanchez' stats from last year, and then line-up the potential starting 32 QBs and compare their numbers from last year - Sanchez would finish dead last in QB Rating, dead last in Completion Percentage, and near the bottom in attempts, completions, yards, TDs, INTs and TD-INT ratio.

That's pretty much every stat in which you can measure a QB. There are others, but you don't rank this low across all these basic categories if you're not pretty bad.

His playoff "performance" can be directly associated with the Jets stronger commitment to the run in the playoffs, and far, FAR fewer pass attempts by Sanchez than in the regular season. That's a coach that doesn't trust his QB.

I think Sanchez has good instincts, he's an athletic kid; but he's immature at best, and dumb as a box o' rocks at worst. He's not smart enough to play the position at an acceptable Pro Level. He's fine as a caretaker QB. Well, sort of fine, he still isn't good enough to leave it at quite that. But were you really worse off with Kellen Clemens? Is there THAT drastic a difference? It's certainly not worth trading what they did to get him. "Mark Sanchez" will be in the opening montage of "Jets 1st Round Picks" during ESPN's coverage of the NFL Draft after "Johnny 'Lam' Jones" and "Roger Vick" within 6 years. I think some idiot team will take a flyer on him and give him another 2 or 3 year deal.

He'll be on the montage.

First, that's such a silly cop-out. Why not just ask "Do you respect us now?? Do ya?!?!" My answer is, "not really".

Second, the Jets came out more conservative. Someone reigned in Rex Ryan during that game. It was smart, the Patriots made a couple of dumb mistakes; spotted the Jets a 2 TD lead, and it was just a matter of not screwing it up from there.

It was basically the 2007 Jaguars approach to the playoff game vs. the Patriots - except the Jets have a) better players b) a better coach c) got an early interception that seemed to deflate the whole team d) didn't screw up.

Thanks, ESPN! Are they still old and slow, too?

This just in: 1) Your line was pretty damn good last year 2) The Patriots were running out Vince Wilfork and 2 street free agents on the line. It's not surprising.

He's also kinda old and kinda lazy. That's why the Patriots let him go the first time. Also, he had 4 sacks last year.

The Patriots don't tend to drop $15 mil/yr on a guy just because he's a "name". Is that what you mean by proven?

I personally think that the answer to your question is either currently on the roster or will be within the next week or so.

A pass rush would be nice, but a lack of pass rush isn't why the Patriots lost to the Jets. Not effectively stopping the run and good defense by the Jets is why.

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supafly

Not effectively stopping the run???

How about the inability to stop the pass?? They allowed Sanchez a 127+ QB rating day with 3 TD's and O INT's!!!

The main plays of the game were the TD passes, the sideline pass to Edwards right before the half, and the 60 yd pass to Cotchery when the NEP had just started to re-take the momentum, after cutting the lead to 14-11.

The run was not that bad, the lack of ability to stop the pass was insanely ridiculous....

Edit: After looking at the numbers again, the rushing defense was not very good either, as they gave up 17 carries = 76 yards to Greene, and 10 carries = 43 yards to Tomlinson. The lack of proper run stopping likely led to throwing the defense off-balance, so you do have more of a point than I gave you credit for. The bottom line with that game (IMO) was easily the lack of any defensive execution. No, the other things did not help at all, but when you allow the opposing QB a 127+ rating and 3 TD/O INT's, and the rushing defense gives up 4.4 yards per carry, you are pretty screwed. If they had not allowed almost 30 points, the game would have been a lot different.

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PATRIOTSFANINPA

You always have to wonder who in the division will be a challenge...

Each and every year a certain team can go from rags to riches so you can go and worry about the Jets and fall asleep when referring to the Dolphins and Bill, but I wouldn't.

The Jets ON PAPER seem to be the best team in the division this year or at least close to NEs level,but that doesn't mean anything until they get into the actual season.

Worry?,not really...If NE plays the game the way the team is coached and most games go the way they are planned, it won't be worrisome.

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1. Absolutely. As much as we might not want to admit it, Rex Ryan is a very good HC. And its not just his defensive mind, but his ability to get his players to rally around him. One of the biggest requirements of a Head Coach is to have the players buy into what you are selling, and players obviously respond to Rex. You can't argue with his results, so yes I do respect Rex Ryan as a Head Coach, but that doesn't mean I like him.

2. It means absolutely nothing to the rest of the NFL, but its how he gets the players to buy into him so it does help the Jets.

3. Objectively, I think he's going to be a pretty good QB for a long time. He won't be an elite QB, but he will be solid and make plays when he needs to. He's still young and learning so we don't know what his ceiling will be, but he isn't has bad as we would like to think. I think in the end he will be around the same level as Eli Manning.

4. The Jets were the better team on the day. From the very begining you could see the Pats didn't have the same intensity they had earlier in the year when they smashed the Jets, and that was the most concerning thing. I think they tried to go away from what worked for them throughout the year and it hurt them. But saying that you can't take anything away from the Jets, they played well and deserved to win on the day.

5. I think it would be a HUGE mistake if they don't bring in a pass rusher in FA. It doesn't have to be a huge name, but they need to at least add some competition. I don't know why they have refused to address the OLB position but they need to. When EVERYONE outside of the organization can see it is a big need than I don't think we can be all wrong. I love BB and he is by far the best coach in the NFL, but maybe he is too close to this thing and can't see it. He's not perfect and he makes mistakes, and I think this is one of them. I don't think it makes us bad fans for disagreeing with him, as fans it is what we are suppose to do. We are suppose to question things because it shows we are passionate and keeps them accountable. Hopefully in the next few days they will bring someone in like Kiwanuka or Manny Lawson, hell i'd even take Vernon Gholston at this point to add some competition to the guys on the roster. Just handing spots to guys won't make this team better, they need to earn it, and bringing in some UDFA's for competition isn't enough for me.

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I agree with your statement about him needing experience. His completion percentage is too low. He did have a lot of dropped potential interceptions. He is inconsistent. But there were signs that the kid is legit: The comebacks last year (albeit versus subpar teams). Game winning drives in many games. You mentioned he played well vs. the Pats, but also did well against Pittsburgh too (for a half). He has great feet and pocket escapability as well. Just needs more experience as you said.

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