KontradictioN

How is anything that happened from a team perspective over in San Diego the fault of Rivers? Personally, I'd be more inclined to lay that blame at the feet of A.J. Smith. After all, there's only so much that leadership can accomplish when you have holes and question marks on the O-Line to start the season, multiple holes at WR, a RB that hasn't worked out (be it lack of production or injury) so far, and a defense that has holes and question marks at OLB, ILB, and at safety. I haven't seen you lay the blame entirely at the feet of Tom Brady for the 2009 team, for example. Why are you so willing to do it to Rivers for the current outlook of the 2010 Chargers when it's obvious that he's doing the best with what he's been given to work with?

By the way, you don't have to be a fantasy football player to appreciate both individual and team accomplishments. You just have to be a fan of the game in general.

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MoLewisrocks

They are two entirely different and essentially unrelated games beyond the fact that both involve a football.

Rivers has been around for a while. 2010 isn't his first rodeo. SD has been a talent laden pundit SB favorite for half a decade to no avail. Brady has a track record of doing more with less. Rivers has a track record of coming up short with more. Coaches can't coach nearly as effectively if they don't have a selfless core leadership group in place policing the team and holding each other accountable. Brady struggled to lead the group he had last season in part because he was a one man core. No one else was willing to be remotely accountable. Insecurity and ego struggle with accountability. In SD I have yet to see anyone be accountable. Did AJ selectively create that mess? Yup, but Rivers has historically been part of it. From the slow starts to the epic collapses when it matters most.

Synovia

So, its River's fault that SD's special teams are historically bad, and their defense sucks?

So, why the hell does everyone rag on Norv? I mean, if its River's doing it?

emoney_33

How can you be fascinated with the game of football, specifically in the NFL, yet fail to understand that it is a TEAM game. It is impossible for an individual player to control wins/losses. Put Brady on a crappy team, and they aren't SB champions and you are saying the same baloney about him.

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folamzz

I do think Rivers is a product of the offensive scheme. Norv Turner may not be a good head coach, but he's a sound offensive mind. The chargers/houston game was on here in Dallas, those mediocre receivers were running wide open down the field. On first charger TD, the cornerback bit badly on a double move, nobody was within 20 yards of the receiver for a easy TD.

I don't know what kind of scheme we run or receiver routes, but you never see our receivers running free down the field. I know belichick has his pride, but we need to start stealing some of the coaching talents from New Orleans or San diego

MoLewisrocks

The problems preceeded Norv.

I never said it was his fault. I simply believe if you are not part of the solution you are probably part of the problem. 2010 is just most recently visible the tip of iceberg in SD. This has been a team (or rather collection) of overhyped unaccountable whiny excuse making stat generating underachievers for a long time now. Phillip and LT seemed to be locked in some sort of battle for prominence during most of the last 4-5 seasons. Philip won, it's his team now and all I see is more of the same.

Were guys like Shockey and Tiki a problem in NY and did the Giants gain by subtracting short term? Yup. But Shockey has a ring now too playing with a QB who found a way to manage and co-exist with him. Eli will never be that kind of QB. Neither I believe will Rivers. One has too little ego and personality and the other has both in spades. QB's who are elite beyond statistically have the capacity to balance ego with humility and a selfless appreciation for doing what is in the best interest of the team. Some players gravitate towards playing with jackholes. And it can work. I'll take the QB who instills in his teamates an abiding desire to run through walls for him not because they believe he's their savior but because by example he makes them want to do whatever it takes to win as a team, cost or credit be damned.

emoney_33

By that logic, Brady was the problem in 02, 05, 06, 07 and 09.

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Synovia

So, Phillip Rivers, as a Rookie, and 2nd year player, was the problem?

And a quarterback who is breaking pretty much every passing record there is, is clearly a part of the problem, right?

So, your logic is, because LT left, and the team didn't get any better, Rivers is a problem? Moss left, and the offense hasn't got any better, so clearly Brady is a problem, right? Same logic.




And you think that Rivers' and Eli's egos are more important than the fact that one won a superbowl playing with one of the best defenses in the last 10 years, and the other one has played most of his career with terrible defenses and no special teams?

The only thing I can conclude here is you have absolutely no idea that there's anything on the football field besides what NBC shows you in their zoom-in-QB-Hero shots.

So, why the hell has Tom Brady been unable to get his defense to perform the last 5 years? Is he a poor leader now?

Synovia

Don't forget '08. He clearly wasn't a part of the solution that year.

vvusteve

I remember his first college game thursday night football when he was a freshman.I said that night he looked like dan marino, he looked great.in 04 I was telling everyone here in phoenix az that the cards need rivers but they drafted fitzgerald with the third pick.Fitz is great but I guess now they wish they had rivers.I hope he wins the mvp and the pats win the superbowl.I could live with that.