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Old 04-10-2007, 01:17 PM   #21
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Convictions are irrelevant to the enforcement of the Code of Conduct. Due process was served: the NFL didn't like how Jones went about his business, and there is language in the contract that spells out possible punitive action. Done.
I understand the code of conduct. I also understand that it isn't enforced equally, which is a major problem.
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Old 04-10-2007, 01:20 PM   #22
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Neither did OJ's crime but I wouldn't want him playing in the NFL if he were still able to. Convictions are irrelevant, they are what's necessary to lose your freedom and there is a tough standard for that . . . playing in the NFL is a priviledge, not a right like your freedom is until you're convicted. We need the ***** out of the game, this is a start.
Yes, but the NFL is an employer. Look at it this way- if OJ applied to work at your place of employment, they would have to consider him on merit alone. If he was the most qualified candidate, he would get the job. If OJ applied for a position with my company, I could not legally deny him employment based on his perceived character. While the NFL operates out of a union environment and their employees are held to the standards of the CoC negotiated in their CBA, it doesn't mean I have to like it.
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Yes, but the NFL is an employer. Look at it this way- if OJ applied to work at your place of employment, they would have to consider him on merit alone. If he was the most qualified candidate, he would get the job. If OJ applied for a position with my company, I could not legally deny him employment based on his perceived character.
Sure you could. If I don't behave appropriately at work I can be fired. I don't have to do anything criminor or convictable. Heck I can be fired for using the internet for non work related endeavors. Um . . .

I can certainly be fired for being a jerk, using bad language, etc, but I can't be convicted for that.
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Trade Asante for the Titans first and second rounders.
This is a great idea (not being sarcastic either) cause we all know Pac man left to his own devices like he has to be is screwed
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Sure you could. If I don't behave appropriately at work I can be fired. I don't have to do anything criminor or convictable. Heck I can be fired for using the internet for non work related endeavors. Um . . .

I can certainly be fired for being a jerk, using bad language, etc, but I can't be convicted for that.
Yes, but as an applicant he can't be denied employment. Sorry for the confusion. Employment law is my forte.

Anyways, you can be fired for using the internet, bad language, being a jerk, wearing a red tie, whatever. But, the only way it is legally upheld is if your employer can prove that everyone that used the internet, bad language, was a jerk, or wore a red tie was dismissed (ie, there was no disparate treatment.) In the case here, I don't like how the NFL picks and chooses how they apply their CoC. Again, legally, they are able to do so because of the CBA language, but ethically, I don't see it as the right move. I want to clean up the NFL, but I want it done with the right intentions, not by making a public statement to set an example out of a kid. That's all.
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Trade Asante for the Titans first and second rounders.
Tenessee is high enough (17 I think) that I'd do Samuel for their #1. Unlike the Saints at #28 who need a CB, they'd need to give us more.
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Yes, but as an applicant he can't be denied employment. Sorry for the confusion. Employment law is my forte.
Pac Man is no longer an applicant - he is an employee who is being punished for inappropriate behavior.
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If OJ applied for a position with my company, I could not legally deny him employment based on his perceived character.
Race
Gender
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Sexual Orientation

Those are all aspects that an employer cannot legally use to discriminate against or deny employment to an individual. Perceived character is definitely an acceptable reason to use. I've seen people not get jobs simply because the interviewer didn't think they'd fit in with everyone else, and it would affect the work dynamic.

The NFL is an employer. The players are employees. Screw up under the rules that have been set forth and prepare to face the consequences. Legality/illegality/conviction...none of that matters.
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Pac Man is no longer an applicant - he is an employee who is being punished for inappropriate behavior.
Right- you had mentioned OJ. That's what I was referencing.

Pacman could argue that Ray Lewis' situation did not result in him being suspended, and Lewis actually was on trial for the death. Pacman would have what I would consider a pretty strong case.
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