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View Poll Results: The non-call on the last 4th down play was....
The Right call....let the players play 35 26.92%
The Wrong call...he was held after five yards...you have to call that 95 73.08%
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:25 PM   #81
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Another play that cost the 49ers dearly was a no call when Torrey Smith went over the top of Culliver. It was obvious offensive pass interference, but was not called. It would have been an interception, instead the Ravens eventually scored.

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No one wants to address THIS at all...not one of the "it wasn't PI in the end zone!!" apologists...I wonder why????
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:30 PM   #82
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Good non call, imo! You don't make a call to make up for a teams bad play/pass.

Both guys had hands on each other, PI could have gone either way but it was the right thing to do not make that call. It wasn't a obvious call on either player, imo so let it play out. The route was bad and the pass wasn't there.
First off, No, PI couldn't have gone either way because, as was stated, the pass wasn't catchable. However, DEFENSIVE HOLDING (which is what the whole thread is about) should have been called because the pass has no bearing on the penalty call.

While Crabtree did have a hand on Smith he was not holding Smith. That is not PI. Especially since the ball was uncatchable. It IS holding when the defensive player PULLS the jersey and alters the course of the receiver's route.

It was an OBVIOUS defensive holding call. Only people who don't know the rules or are making things up that just didn't happen are saying otherwise.
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Because it wasn't a penalty. The rules for late hits on a QB change when the QB is out of the pocket, and Flacco was not out of bounds.
Brady would have gotten the flag. Fact.
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Crabtree wasn't pushing off of Smith's helmet. Smith was FALLING DOWN after having tripped over his own feet trying to hold onto Crabtree. Crabtree's arms were moving like anyone's do when they are running and went against Smith's helmet as he fell. That isn't pushing off.
they weren't even in the end zone when both had their hands all over each other......the play was blown by crabtree before the ball was even thrown as he focused more on tangling with smith than getting to the corner....more fault can be place on either crabtree or the play call to have him turned inside towards the defender......if the route had him turned outside, then everything changes.....

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First off, No, PI couldn't have gone either way because, as was stated, the pass wasn't catchable. However, DEFENSIVE HOLDING (which is what the whole thread is about) should have been called because the pass has no bearing on the penalty call.

While Crabtree did have a hand on Smith he was not holding Smith. That is not PI. Especially since the ball was uncatchable. It IS holding when the defensive player PULLS the jersey and alters the course of the receiver's route.

It was an OBVIOUS defensive holding call. Only people who don't know the rules or are making things up that just didn't happen are saying otherwise.
nothing is obvious as long as both players are in contact.....the contact that existed before they had gotten to the endzone was deemed mutual, and the camera angle does not display whether crabtree was holding smith.....can't see his hands at that juncture.

I'm no fan of the ravens, but no call on that play is ok by me
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This poll is a loaded question. In any other game on any other day, absolutley its a hold. With the way that game was called, I don't see how the can make that call to basically decide the game. You give a team like the 9ers 8 tries to get in the end zone, they get in. But for the situation I think the made the right call
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This poll is a loaded question. In any other game on any other day, absolutley its a hold. With the way that game was called, I don't see how the can make that call to basically decide the game. You give a team like the 9ers 8 tries to get in the end zone, they get in. But for the situation I think the made the right call
Throwing the flag, or not throwing the flag, right or wrong, that decided the game. That was a controversial call. Niners will be pulling a Marshall Faulk in the future, saying that's why they lost the game. Ravens will be saying get over it.....

I would prefer the refs to be consistent, that play would have drawn a flag in any other game, it should have drown one then too.
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It doesn't matter whether it was or not. It wasn't called, get over it and move on. The 49ers did not do enough to win and they lost. If a team loses because of a crappy call, then they deserved to lose.
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Brady would have gotten the flag. Fact.
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What about off-setting penalties? Would that make it a "do over"? If that was an option I like that call. It seems like letting a ref off the hook point of view, but I really believe not as many people would be able to complain about that call.
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