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View Poll Results: The non-call on the last 4th down play was....
The Right call....let the players play 35 26.92%
The Wrong call...he was held after five yards...you have to call that 95 73.08%
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:46 AM   #91
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What about off-setting penalties? Would that make it a "do over"? If that was an option I like that call. It seems like letting a ref off the hook point of view, but I really believe not as many people would be able to complain about that call.
That would have been the correct course of action based on the kung fu match with minimal impact on the game
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:58 AM   #92
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What about off-setting penalties? Would that make it a "do over"? If that was an option I like that call. It seems like letting a ref off the hook point of view, but I really believe not as many people would be able to complain about that call.
Or the refs could just make the call as the rules afford them to.

The bottom line is, refs are human, they got caught up in the moment. There was 0 chance of that guy pulling the flag out of his pocket on that play. Maybe you just have to give kudos to the corner for realizing in that situation that he could get away with murder.

Refs choke, too.
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Brady would have gotten the flag. Fact.
Wrong, you dumbass murderer-apologist.
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This former ref thought it was a foul on 4th down. Video in link:

Holding on intentional safety exposes loophole in rules | ProFootballTalk

Also the refs missed a helmet-to-helmet on a defenseless receiver on 3rd down. That line judge better not show up in SF anytime soon.

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OK...finally found the time to go over every play in the Bowl....here is what I saw and checked and rechecked the yardage on...the Ravens had 41 illegal contact/pass interference fouls, the Niners had 22. The Niners were called for one, the Ravens zero.

What this means is that the preseason and regular season NFL rules do not apply in the post season, and, as we have all seen time and again the past five years, especially the Super Bowl. The 5 yard rule expands to 10 yards and even beyond in some cases, to the point that it would seem it is just not going to be called unless 5 zebras see it at the same time.

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OK...finally found the time to go over every play in the Bowl....here is what I saw and checked and rechecked the yardage on...the Ravens had 41 illegal contact/pass interference fouls, the Niners had 22. The Niners were called for one, the Ravens zero.

What this means is that the preseason and regular season NFL rules do not apply in the post season, and, as we have all seen time and again the past five years, especially the Super Bowl. The 5 yard rule expands to 10 yards and even beyond in some cases, to the point that it would seem it is just not going to be called unless 5 zebras see it at the same time.

Welcome to the McMahonization of the NFL.
While you're at it, you should do this for the Pats/Ravens game. I'm really interested in if Mangini was right.
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While you're at it, you should do this for the Pats/Ravens game. I'm really interested in if Mangini was right.
I would entertain the thought except that I am biased for the Patriots...I couldn't trust my own judgement...beyond that, the Patriots made so many self inflicted mistakes that game that I don't think the game deserves it.

However, if one of the board members, like Pherein for example, took the time to break it down objectively, I'd like to see the results.
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I'm mystified.
Stipulating for argument's sake your above description is accurate, what in your interpretation of the rules would constitute pushing off or holding?

And why should the rules suddenly change? When would they change? Playoff game? AFC/NFC Championship game? SB? 1st QTR? 4th QTR??? There's a real problem with a sudden un-announced change in the refs' calls.
There were penalties on BOTH players. If you don't see it then you're biased.

You're absolutely insane if you think the refs would give any team 4 MORE CHANCES to from the 1 yard line to win the SUPERBOWL, when they just had 4 chances from the 5 yard line!
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What about off-setting penalties? Would that make it a "do over"? If that was an option I like that call. It seems like letting a ref off the hook point of view, but I really believe not as many people would be able to complain about that call.
I don't think thats feasible........next thing you know, half the plays will have to be done over.

I'm not seeing it.....the ball was pretty much uncatatchable anyway
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OK...finally found the time to go over every play in the Bowl....here is what I saw and checked and rechecked the yardage on...the Ravens had 41 illegal contact/pass interference fouls, the Niners had 22. The Niners were called for one, the Ravens zero.

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