OT: Wow, Charlie Weis is going to have to explain this one... - Page 3 - New England Patriots Forums

***PatsFanSince74*** · 09-12-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KontradictioN

FWIW, I do think that Weis has finally managed to bring in a load of talent to that Notre Dame team. Golden Tate and Jimmy Clausen have been nothing short of pretty damn good so far this season and it seems that they finally have a capable RB in South Bend. However, the defense is still a major issue. In the end, I think it will be that side of the ball that costs ol' Charlie his job either at the end of this season or next season, and not the boneheaded calls of this afternoon. If he does lose this job, I will be nervous as Urban Meyer may decide to leave my Gators and fulfill his "dream job".

well said. thanks.

condon84 · 09-12-2009, 10:03 PM

Pretty bad offensive play calling.

The defensive call was pretty bad too. Why blitz a freshman QB who can improvise? They should have played zone and let the freshman QB read the zone and make the throw.

Deus Irae · 09-12-2009, 10:08 PM

I find it difficult to blame the playcalling when it was the receiver dropping the ball.

oldrover · 09-13-2009, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanSince74

one other comment after the above.

the more that Mangini and Romeo and Charlie and (incipiently) Josh struggle on their own, the clearer it becomes that Bill Belichick was not a product of his Assistants, but rather that it is Bill Belichick who made his Assistants look great. Which brings us back to the old Parcells argument, which I won't get into here.

Regarding Weis and Crennel, Belichick has yet to win without them. Just sayin'...

***DarrylS*** · 09-13-2009, 03:19 AM

Defensively they stunk up the place, the Mich freshman qb was playing out of his mind, because ND's D stunk, and could not make adjustments... Claussen is way overrated

Charlie's job has to be in jeopardy, this along with a bunch of mindless penalties made what seemed to be a good game, a 4th quarter fiasco.. btw am a life long ND fan.

lurker1965 · 09-13-2009, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Shockt327

Really, the playcalling was so unlike Weis, too. He was never known for stuff like that with the Pats or when he had Brady Quinn. That's why I'm guessing Clausen's decision making was to blame.

Sad too, cause beyond that Jimmy played really well.

Watch the 2003 season again. The standard ending was defense gets big stop/turnover and offense will run out clock. Offense goes and out leaving opponent time. Defense gets one more stop/turnover.

lurker1965 · 09-13-2009, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by oldrover

Regarding Weis and Crennel, Belichick has yet to win without them. Just sayin'...

I'd take Crennel over Pees.

Weis I wish the best of luck.

zoostation · 09-13-2009, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Patsfanin Philly

The only even remote explanation might be that even if they ran the ball, Michigan would have called their timeouts resulting in Big Blue getting the ball back with the same amount of time. BUT they wouldn't have had their timeouts affecting their play calling......
Not smart no matter how you cut it....

clock management 101

p8ryts · 09-13-2009, 05:15 AM

NEM is alive and well. Revisionist memory. I remember Charlie doing unorthodox things as a play caller. The third down play was open, the but the QB and WR did not execute either because Clausen rushed the pass or the backup WR didn't turn for the ball in time. If the play had been successful, people would have been applauding his flexibility.

ND lost that game several different times during the contest and two pass incompletions may or may not have made the difference.

***KontradictioN*** · 09-13-2009, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

I find it difficult to blame the playcalling when it was the receiver dropping the ball.

The point is that the receiver shouldn't have been thrown the ball in the first place. The first run of the new posession went for 11 yards. They could have easily drained the clock and Michigan's timeouts with a run game.