Mortensen: C. Long was #2 on Parcells' board - New England Patriots Forums

PonyExpress · 04-23-2008, 04:56 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3363448

sebman2112 · 04-23-2008, 05:24 PM

could be BS, but I actually believe it, and I think Dorsey would have been their third option, as insiders within the organization suggested he was among their favorites.

Chris Long is going to be an outstanding pro, and I'll be somewhat surprised to see him make it out of the top 3/4 picks.

WhiZa · 04-23-2008, 06:46 PM

If this is true, then there is a good chance they could trade Taylor and maybe 32nd pick to get Chris Long if he starts falling.

Blizzzard · 04-23-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiZa

If this is true, then there is a good chance they could trade Taylor and maybe 32nd pick to get Chris Long if he starts falling.

If that was an offer they made to the pats, would/should they take it?

mcsully · 04-23-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiZa

If this is true, then there is a good chance they could trade Taylor and maybe 32nd pick to get Chris Long if he starts falling.

To move to #7, dolphins would have to throw in a lot more than that.. Taylor will fetch no more than a bottom 3rd 1st round pick.. (I say its going to be a high 2nd or mid 2nd and 3rd)..

VJCPatriot · 04-23-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiZa

If this is true, then there is a good chance they could trade Taylor and maybe 32nd pick to get Chris Long if he starts falling.

Why the heck would the Pats take a 2nd round pick and a past his prime Talyor for pick #7, particularly with C. Long available? The Pats could get a MUCH better deal then that. Moving out of the first round completely is just not smart either (2nd round and later picks can only be signed to 4 year deals). Sorry but JT is not worth more than a 3rd round pick at this point in his career.

WhiZa · 04-23-2008, 08:40 PM

I never said the Pats would take it

Just if he starts falling. It would really depend on who's available at #7 to make the trade. If they are looking at a CB or trading for Taylor and the 32 it may be worth it. I would rather have Taylor and the 32nd rather than DRC or McKelvin

PatsandTrojans55 · 04-24-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PonyExpress

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3363448

This story is very inaccurate. Here's the truth. Gholston was Miami's #2 guy all along and they didn't even consider Chris Long. Here's what they were trying to do.

They were trying to get Jake Long to agree to their terms of the contract and a very commonly used method is to put pressure on the agents with the threat of another option. The problem in this case was their #2 player (Gholston) was represented by the same agency as Jake Long and they won't bid against eachother (naturally). So what you do is you have to convince them your interested in another player who they would think could be picked by you in this position and the only logical choice was Chris Long.

Just like when an agent throws out some bogus information that another team is interested in their client so they could give the impression to that team causing said team to bid against itself therefore driving up the price for his client.

In this case they wanted to use Chris Long's agent to cause Jake Long's agent (Condon's group) to hurry and decide on their contract offer because they realized they gave him WAY to much time to decide (1 week) and Condon's group was shopping the offer to the Rams to drive up the price and the Dolphins were going to use Chris Long's agent to counter.
In the end, they didn't have to do that.

Hope this explains the situation for you all.

By the way, Chris Long wont get past KC now that the can get a Tackle or move up from #17. Plus, stick it to the Raiders for passing on Chris.

PT55

mike100915 · 04-24-2008, 10:44 AM

It's getting more and more likely that Sedrick Ellis is going to be the pick. Although, I wouldn't be shocked if they took Rivers or Derrick Harvey. I do hope however, that either Long or Gholston do fall, but the possibilty of that is remote.

PonyExpress · 04-24-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsandTrojans55

This story is very inaccurate. Here's the truth. Gholston was Miami's #2 guy all along and they didn't even consider Chris Long. Here's what they were trying to do.

They were trying to get Jake Long to agree to their terms of the contract and a very commonly used method is to put pressure on the agents with the threat of another option. The problem in this case was their #2 player (Gholston) was represented by the same agency as Jake Long and they won't bid against eachother (naturally). So what you do is you have to convince them your interested in another player who they would think could be picked by you in this position and the only logical choice was Chris Long.

Just like when an agent throws out some bogus information that another team is interested in their client so they could give the impression to that team causing said team to bid against itself therefore driving up the price for his client.

In this case they wanted to use Chris Long's agent to cause Jake Long's agent (Condon's group) to hurry and decide on their contract offer because they realized they gave him WAY to much time to decide (1 week) and Condon's group was shopping the offer to the Rams to drive up the price and the Dolphins were going to use Chris Long's agent to counter.
In the end, they didn't have to do that.

Hope this explains the situation for you all.

By the way, Chris Long wont get past KC now that the can get a Tackle or move up from #17. Plus, stick it to the Raiders for passing on Chris.

PT55

PFT and ESPN reported that Gholston was #2 on the Miami board, but that was before J Long was actually signed, when Parcells had every reason to lie about his intentions. But this story, that C. Long was the real #2, was published after J. Long was signed, and when Miami had little reason to lie.

Why would Miami lie about their Plan B after the fact? If they believe Gholston is truly the #2 player, then pumping up C. Long's value in the press makes Gholston more likely to fall to a division rival like the Pats or Jets.

If they truly believe CLong is the #2 player, then admitting it makes him less likely to fall to a division rival such as the Jets or Pats.

It seems logical to me that Mortensen's story is accurate, and C.Long was in fact #2 on the Miami board.

That leads to this thought... if CLong actually was #2 on the Miami board, then Parcells must believe he is a fit for 3-4 OLB, contrary to the belief of some on this board.