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Old 04-14-2008, 12:18 PM   #11
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I really like Ellis, and would have no problem if the Pats pick him. OTOH Dorsey has some red flags and I'd just as soon pass.

Where would we play him?
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If they did draft one of those guys, we will see more 4-3 than 3-4. You just can't take a player that high and then use him as a back up or even part of a rotation.

I will be surprisesd if they do that but they really know what they are doing and I don't.
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I know they are probably going to have to prepare to potentially lose either Wilfork or Seymour in two years, but I am a little concerned about drafting a back up with the seventh overall pick.
But there are few things to consider here:

1) There's no guarantee that any rookie will be able to step in and contribute right away. This would give Ellis / Dorsey a couple years to learn the system and get some experience before needing to become the starter on a team that will still be expected to compete for championships.

2) BB believes in building form the trenches out, so if he has a chance to grab what he believe is a potential franchise D-Lineman for the next 8-10 years I think he's going to do it, and I wouldn't have a big issue with it.

3) Richard Seymour, who was the best player on our championship defenses, was selected 6th and sparked a string of dominant defenses. Perhaps BB is wondering if he can pull that off again with a high level pick, and (rightfully) doesn't believe he'll get another chance in the top 10.
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Bill has thrown some exotic fronts out there before 2-4-5, 0-6-5, who says we don't mess everyone up and go 4-3-4 at times with Dorsey or Ellis? I know everyone will say "Never happen", but that is what makes Belichick great, he is thinking one step beyond "Never Happen".
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Bill has thrown some exotic fronts out there before 2-4-5, 0-6-5, who says we don't mess everyone up and go 4-3-4 at times with Dorsey or Ellis? I know everyone will say "Never happen", but that is what makes Belichick great, he is thinking one step beyond "Never Happen".
That 4th man can add more pressure on the QB give Seymour Warren and Wilfork less double teams as well.
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Well, if we lose Wilfork or Seymour and Dorsey is going to get time to learn this system... my God, watch out.
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Old 04-14-2008, 12:39 PM   #17
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I think we've learned not to doubt BB's judgment when it comes to D-linemen. If this report is true, we should welcome the addition of another 300 lb beast. Great 300 lb players usually have more impact on games than great little people, other than Qbs, damn the stats. It's physics.
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If we ran a 4-3. I'd be ok with it. But, we run a 3-4. We have the best NG in football. Ellis can't play end in a 3-4. Square peg. Round hole. I'd be shocked if we took him.
Why do you say Ellis can't play end? Because he is a DT? Ty Warren played DT at Texas A&M, didn't he? I'd say he can play DE. What position did Seymour play in Georgia? Was he a DT or DE there?

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That 4th man can add more pressure on the QB give Seymour Warren and Wilfork less double teams as well.
This brings to mind something I've been thinking about for a while. I've read that the 3-4 evolved from the old 5-2 defense. How cool would it be to see BB throw out a 5-2 lineup (or hybrid 5-1 nickel) for a few plays? Something like:

Hobbs-Sanders-Meriweather-Bryant

Harrison-Thomas

Green-Seymour-Wilfork-Warren-Vrabel


No way does that team get run on, and should be able to bring a lot of pressure on the QB. I wouldn't use it against a great QB & receivers though.
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maybe it is a smokescreen...think about it....how many teams would love either dorsey or ellis? as the only worthy dt's in this draft?
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