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Old 06-19-2011, 10:44 AM   #101
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Smith is a complete deuche who beat the hell out of two seperate teammates and his best days are long past.

When did every issue have to be resolved by signing the biggest name out there? It seems fans have forgotten that player's first seasons aren't the peak of their career arc.

Moss and Dillon were both brought in when the team had a championship caliber locker room. What has BB during this recent rebuild that indicates he want to bring in a declining arrogant deuche?
Smith has shown some leadership qualities and the guy is very passionate about football. He would play for us in a heartbeat even if he has said that he hates us. The guy wants a ring.

I'm not gonna say he is declining too just because of the situation he is in. No WR in the league would've put up decent numbers in that offense last year. I think he still has the speed to stretch the field for us.
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Smith has shown some leadership qualities and the guy is very passionate about football. He would play for us in a heartbeat even if he has said that he hates us. The guy wants a ring.

I'm not gonna say he is declining too just because of the situation he is in. No WR in the league would've put up decent numbers in that offense last year. I think he still has the speed to stretch the field for us.
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*cough* Welker, Miami, 2006 *cough*
Oh yeah...he was really tearing **** up and i really don't get the comparison..

Dolphins were 6-10 with experienced QB's vs 2-14 Panthers with a rookie 2nd round QB playing absolutely horrible.
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Smith has shown some leadership qualities and the guy is very passionate about football. He would play for us in a heartbeat even if he has said that he hates us. The guy wants a ring.

I'm not gonna say he is declining too just because of the situation he is in. No WR in the league would've put up decent numbers in that offense last year. I think he still has the speed to stretch the field for us.
Smith is the antithesis of what BB has been looking for the past couple years. He aint coming here.
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Smith is the antithesis of what BB has been looking for the past couple years. He aint coming here.
These are strong words. If I had to make a prediction I would say it won't happen, but never say never with Belichick. I think Smith to the Patriots could work under certain circumstances. He is a supremely competitive guy who could do well in the highly competitve enviroment the Patriots create. His skillset would make him a wondeful fit for this offense, and if he is on a one year "prove it" deal that would create a significant detterent to him starting any nonsense.

I don't think he is a bad guy. I know two fights with teammates is a pretty damning inditement, I just don't think he would cause problems here.

The reason I don't think it will happen is because I don't think the risk would be worth more than a 3rd rounder. Also, Smith would have to agree to a restructuring. I think it's more likely that another team (Chargers have been rumored) would give up more and be willing to keep him on his current deal.
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I think Smith to the Patriots could work under certain circumstances.
Smith is a fair-weather guy. When everything is going right (role, production, wins, individual accolades, contract, etc), he is the kind of guy you want on your team. When any of those areas isn't where he wants it to be, Smith has no problem being a disruptive presence in the locker room and in the media.

Actually I take that back. He doesn't seem to be as bothered by a lack of team success. That alone should disqualify him from the Pats. In fact, I'm not sure I could think of a worse person to throw in with the impressionable next-gen players that need to be learning from Brady, Mayo and Wilfork.
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These are strong words. If I had to make a prediction I would say it won't happen, but never say never with Belichick. I think Smith to the Patriots could work under certain circumstances. He is a supremely competitive guy who could do well in the highly competitve enviroment the Patriots create. His skillset would make him a wondeful fit for this offense, and if he is on a one year "prove it" deal that would create a significant detterent to him starting any nonsense.

I don't think he is a bad guy. I know two fights with teammates is a pretty damning inditement, I just don't think he would cause problems here.

The reason I don't think it will happen is because I don't think the risk would be worth more than a 3rd rounder. Also, Smith would have to agree to a restructuring. I think it's more likely that another team (Chargers have been rumored) would give up more and be willing to keep him on his current deal.
I hear what you are saying, and believe me, I was Smith's biggest fan in 2005. The whole world had forgotten how good he was due to missing almost the entire 2004 season but I remembered. Got him at a pretty nice discount in every fantasy league and won them all because of it.

The guy is passionate and he was even better than people realize because for years he was the only target and saw double and triple teams as a result. Still, he single-handedly made Delhomme look good and up serious numbers. I'd love to have his physical skill set on the team.

All that said, the guy is a serious jackass and would essentially be like readding Randy Moss to the team from a team unity perspective. You don't have to read between the lines too much to understand just how relieved everyone - players, coaches, even ownership - was to get out from under that dark cloud. BB has also surgically removed every other bad apple and replaced them with team captains and marriage material. His intentions are quite clear, IMO, and a guy like Smith just doesn't fit, especially when you consideer how young this team is.
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If Ochocinco is cut, perhaps BB gives him a shot. He has much to prove. He respects BB. He will need to tone down his outsized personality.

OTOH, the Pats don't need him so unless he comes on a bargain-rate contract, it won't happen.
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Obviously the patriots don't need Smith or Ochocinco. After all, we are have probowl quality deep threats in Price and Tate.

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If Ochocinco is cut, perhaps BB gives him a shot. He has much to prove. He respects BB. He will need to tone down his outsized personality.

OTOH, the Pats don't need him so unless he comes on a bargain-rate contract, it won't happen.
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"Know what would have helped even more in the superbowl? Effective TE's and a power running game. But that game was so close that any improvement would have led to a victory, and I don't recall saying that NE's pass rush is the bees knees, either. "

Know what would have helped even more in the Superbowl, the Raven loss and the Jets loss - a left tackle who can protect TB. Oh wait - that's what BB addressed in the draft, you know the best LT in the draft instead of the 9th or 10th best OLB who probably wouldn't help the team for 3-4 years. Too many arm-chair GM's (i.e. naysayers) who think they know best and complain when the Pats go 14-2 in a rebuilding year. Do you complain about everything in life?

I suggest buying your own team and showing us results.
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Yes, I've been following the conversation but admit being a page or two behind.

I didn't want to repost the entire post as it was quite long.
Not to pick on you, Sif, but simply hitting the "Quote" function, and then erasing the parts of the quote you didn't want...would've actually been EASIER than what you did, which, presumably, was to carve out a PORTION of the quote, and then go to the trouble of typing in quotes both before it and after it.

So you managed to make it harder on yourself EVEN WHILE failing to provide the rudimentary courtesy ~ one most FOURTH Graders manage to manage ~ of telling us WHO you're quoting.

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