Originally Posted by dryheat44
Trade him for Larry Fitgerald and a swap of picks.
I think people are minimizing the effect of a nasty, dominant lineman. They are much harder to find and plug in than Wide Receivers, for example.
I'm willing to bet that Mankins could also be a Pro Bowl right tackle, and an above average left tackle. There's a reason Belichick offered him a significant contract extension.
Bottom line is that the Patriots probably won't be able to / want to re-sign Mankins, the Cardinals certainly won't be able to re-sign Fitzgerald, so a trade makes sense. Kind of like the Bethel Johnson/Jonathan Sullivan exchange a few years back, but with 95% less suck.
My exact thoughts as well. Great job. The only way to extract real value is a reasonable player trade in this case. He's worth more than a second, but we won't get it easy. People value their 17% success rate Draft picks over NFL proven All Pro players (go figure).
I did do a scenario in a post where there is a three way swap with the Eagles involved. Swap Mankins to the Eagles who will take him in a minute for Kolb. Swap Kolb and a third (second?) to AZ for Fitz. I don't care what any of the nay-sayers think. AZ would consider this option. QB is their many issue in 2011. It's the other parts and pieces involved like salaries, which picks and in the end, the damned CBA rules if new.
Do you think Reid would swap his back up QB for the All Pro Guard he likes? I thinks so (by the way I have more inside on that from some media).
Kolb allows the Cards to not waste a pick on a not-sure thing QB (Am I getting a Clausen who was touted as the most NFL ready QB in last years Draft, or am I getting a Schaub who was not a first rounder and played well for another Team to start his career). Plus they pick up another reasonable Draft pick. The mathematics were that the Eagles wanted a first and third for Kolb in a case of highway robbery to some NFL "weak at QB" mark. If the Cards did a first (no #5 in the Draft!!!) and a third, they could get Kolb (the third round pick is probably negotiable)but it is way too much. On the same token, they would probably take a first and third (perhaps second) for Fitz who can get out of AZ next year anyway.
I see this as a win for all parties.
From the Eagles side (not me), their media mentioned Jackson for Mankins (but they wanted more and that won't happen). Jackson is strating to cause contract questions. Maybe we can add a Safety (whichever one is not in trouble at the time......plus a pick or another player) that the Eagles desperately need.
With Fitz the Pats don't need Jackson (or another huge WR contract) but the now WR needy Cards do and Kolb has thrown a few to Jackson so there should be chemistry.
Maybe we convolute this trade and have the Pats go for a Dockett who had an off year but would resolve our DE lack of rush issues.
Eagles=Mankins and a Saftey and a pick (#60?). They get their ransom for Kolb with Mankins and a starting Safety to replay Mikell their FA and a pick of some value TBD
The Eagles sign Mankins long term
Cards=Jackson and Kolb and a pick (#92 from us and they replace Dockett with one of the top D Line players at #5, plus they can use our third rounder to fill holes like ILB, OLB or O-Line). Jackson makes the Fitz loss tolerable.
The Cards sign Jackson Long Term
Pats=Fitzgerald and Dockett (plus we get to keep our two #1s and #33 plus #74 in the first three rounds).
We can surely Draft a Watkins or Wiseinewski to plug in at Guard. Then our impact OLB, RB and OT. Take a Keo in the fourth or even use #33 for Weddle and you have greatly improved this Team even losing Mankins.
Just for fun-
#17 swap down to say Cinncinnnati so they can get their QB for #35 and their 2nd in 2012
#28 Reed OLB
#35 Watkins OG
#74 Murray RB
#119 in fourth Carpenter OT
Then Romeus DE/OLB, Keo S or Cortez CB or Gates WR in fifth or later
The Pats sign Fitz long term
All this is for fun but doable if each front office is not lazy.