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Old 04-20-2009, 11:43 AM   #41
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Here's an interesting read for Fox sports on the curse of the top 1st round money:

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Old 04-20-2009, 04:18 PM   #42
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I would be very surprised if the Broncos went for Sanchez in that spot for two reasons. McDaniels probably figures he can coach up one of the guys they already have and they have glaring needs on defense.
And McDaniels is smart, and Sanchez may be the riskiest first round pick in the last 20 years.


Seriously, look up QBs taken in the first round with less than 30 starts: They're all huge collosal busts. Sanchez has what, 11?
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Do you remember what the third pick got last year? Matt Ryan, the Atlanta quarterback, signed a six-year, $72 million deal, with $34.8 million guaranteed. Pioli can argue until he's Chiefs-crimson in the face, but his pick at three is going to fetch the player $11 million a year, minimum, regardless of position.
Thats not really true though: QBs get much more money in the first round than any other position, and its already impossible for Ryan to make $72M. Despite terrific play, hes already missed escalators.


Chris Long, picked right before Ryan, got 6 years, 56M, 29 guaranteed. I would think that would be the absolute top of what Curry is looking at, as LB's make less than DEs.
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McDaniels could make a surprise selection #1 pick out of BBs draft book and draft Freeman who might end up better than Sanchez IMO
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Theres a better reason that teams picking at the top tend to continue to suck: They have poor management. Its got nothing to do with the cap, its got to do with poor talent evaluation and development.
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Sanchez has all the halmarks of a classic QB bust:

1. Not a top 5 pick going into his final season
2. Dramatic rise in draft stock AFTER the final season
3. Limited starts
4. limited scout film because of the above

Prior to the 2008 college season, Sanchez wasn't on anyone's draft board, and that would worry the crap out of me.
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Theres a better reason that teams picking at the top tend to continue to suck: They have poor management. Its got nothing to do with the cap, its got to do with poor talent evaluation and development.
Exactly, because good teams give out big contracts, too. They just give them out to productive players. Bad teams keep grabbing disappointments, be it through the draft or free agency.
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Sanchez has all the halmarks of a classic QB bust:

1. Not a top 5 pick going into his final season
2. Dramatic rise in draft stock AFTER the final season
3. Limited starts
4. limited scout film because of the above

Prior to the 2008 college season, Sanchez wasn't on anyone's draft board, and that would worry the crap out of me.
Wouldn't that also be the definition of a lot of players, such as Barwin? Mayo rose up the draft boards pretty fast last year although there was film on him.
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Wouldn't that also be the definition of a lot of players, such as Barwin? Mayo rose up the draft boards pretty fast last year although there was film on him.
Barwin isn't a quarterback, and isn't being picked in the top 5. Quarterbacks are different.

Essentially, Two simple statistics account for 65% of all variation in quarterbacks drafted in the first round. College completion percentage, and college starts. Completion percentage essentially sets the player's "potential" and Starts sets how likely he is to hit that potential.

Essentially, with low college starts, scouts have very little tape to work with, and as such, are less likely to make correct decisions. If Sanchez goes back to school, theres a couple options: A)He plays like a stud, and the scouts were right. B) He has a down year, and the scouts realize 2008 was a fluke. C) He plays like a stud, but the scouts notice some flaw in his mechanics, structure, etc.

Players like Sanchez, with his 16 starts, the error bars are simply too wide to pick him in the first, let alone in the top 10. Honestly, I'd argue that Stafford at 33 starts is risky. Peyton Manning started something like 50 games. Cutler, the same.


From Dave Lewin:


Here is the complete list of players drafted in first two rounds over the past ten years who started at least 35 games and completed at least 57 percent of their passes: Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper, Chad Pennington, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Jason Campbell, Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler.

(Add Brady Quinn)

And, in comparison, the list of players under 30 starts:
Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Michael Vick, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Alex Smith.
(Add Jamarcus Russel)

Remember, Sanchez has only started 16 games.

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