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Old 03-29-2009, 09:30 AM   #41
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- I believe Miami traded C Sampson Satele. Alex Mack would be a natural fit in round 1.
FYI, Miami traded Satele because they'd just signed C Jake Grove to a long-term, big-$$ contract.
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Sorry, on the previous post I forgot to delete the trade between GB and the Jets (since Stafford is off the board on this version). GB stays at #9 and the Jets at #17 and 52.

Ending up with Barwin, Delmas and Gilbert plus a 2010 1st round might be the nicest 1st day so far. It's not impossible. We miss out on OL on the 1st day, but there's plenty of talent in the 3rd round (we could trade up for Troy Kropog at OT; TJ Lang, Andy Levitre, Trevor Canfield and Keith Urbik are all available at OG as well as Caldwell at C) and it's not an immediate need. And with two 1sts in 2010 we could conceivably get a top OT like Brian Bulaga, Ciron Black, Trent Williams, etc. Other 2010 day 1 options might include SILB (Brandon Spikes, Rolando McClain, Eric Norwood) or WR (Aurelius Benn, Dez Bryant, Brandon LaFell, Marshawn Gilbert).
Good job Mayo but i think we do need OL on the first day with the picks we have and the need is greater than OLB and S. We have 4 OLB's, 2 of which are young and have potential and probably Jason Taylor to come. We have 2 starting safeties with Tank, Rodney and Springs to back them up. As we saw last year if we lose any of the starting OL (and worse still two of them) we will struggle to keep Brady upright .. and keeping Brady upright is how this team wins games. Plus they are all getting older with little or no youth on the roster there minus Levior who is a decent backup but nothing more

I agree if Barwin, Delams etc turn into pro bowlers then we've all done well but its always a rose tinted gamble and I wouldn't gamble on the health of the best QB in the league and our most important player by far

I still think that if we keep 4 picks we can come away with 2 OL, a S and an OLB. Now it may not be everyone's binkies but it ought to be good enough ..
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Good job Mayo but i think we do need OL on the first day with the picks we have and the need is greater than OLB and S. We have 4 OLB's, 2 of which are young and have potential and probably Jason Taylor to come. We have 2 starting safeties with Tank, Rodney and Springs to back them up. As we saw last year if we lose any of the starting OL (and worse still two of them) we will struggle to keep Brady upright .. and keeping Brady upright is how this team wins games. Plus they are all getting older with little or no youth on the roster there minus Levior who is a decent backup but nothing more

I agree if Barwin, Delams etc turn into pro bowlers then we've all done well but its always a rose tinted gamble and I wouldn't gamble on the health of the best QB in the league and our most important player by far

I still think that if we keep 4 picks we can come away with 2 OL, a S and an OLB. Now it may not be everyone's binkies but it ought to be good enough ..
I've said before that I'd be thrilled with Beatty, Barwin, Delmas and Wood on the 1st day, but I doubt it will fall that way. In the modified 2 rounder above, Eric Wood was available at 47 as well as Gilbert. Opinions vary as to whether you go for the solid OG/C prospect or the DE with the huge upside.

Realistically, I think that our OL is probably in decent shape for 2009. It's all the unsigned players after next year, combined with the aging of several key personnel, which is an issue. With two 1sts going into 2010 I would strongly consider going after a stud LT like Brian Bulaga from Iowa. I'm sure BB knows about him from Kirk Ferentz.

Again, there are multiple ways that this draft may play out. I've just tried to show a few that seem plausible to me.
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You've definitely done your work, good job.

But calling Vontae Davis the best corner in the draft was absolutely comical to me. He's lucky to be top 5.
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You've definitely done your work, good job.

But calling Vontae Davis the best corner in the draft was absolutely comical to me. He's lucky to be top 5.
When did I ever do that? I called him the most "physically gifted" CB in the draft. I stand by that assessment - name me one CB with better physical ability than Davis. But I have him well down on my big board, recently posted, because of his inconsistency issues and average ball skills.
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When did I ever do that? I called him the most "physically gifted" CB in the draft. I stand by that assessment - name me one CB with better physical ability than Davis. But I have him well down on my big board, recently posted, because of his inconsistency issues and average ball skills.
I assumed you were insinuating that he was the best player at the position by making him the first player off the board and the comment. Forgive my poor reading comprehension.

Physical skills in terms of body and thickness, I suppose but he's not the fastest, doesn't change directions the best, doesn't play the run the best, and is one of the dumber players in the draft.

I rank my corners like this.

1. Alphonso Smith
2. Malcolm Jenkins (would be #1 but the uncertainty of his position (CB or FS) knocks him down one spot)
3. Sean Smith
4. Darius Butler
5. D.J. Moore
6. Coye Francies
7. Vontae Davis
8. Victor Harris
9. Jairus Byrd
10. Keenan Lewis
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And I really don't like the Dolphins picks. I love Sean Smith at 44, but other than that, I don't think we're getting great value. We're set at quarterback, we don't need Pat White. And the whole argument that he brings another element to the Wildcat is bogus because no one in the NFL is better at it than Ronnie Brown. He's smart, instinctive, a bruiser, and has a very good jump cut; no need to replace him in the formation.

Derrick Williams won't be a number one. He gives you nothing that Greg Camarillo and Davone Bess can't.

I'm not a huge fan of Clay Matthews as a 34 rusher. I think he'll do better as a strong side guy in the 43.
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And I really don't like the Dolphins picks. I love Sean Smith at 44, but other than that, I don't think we're getting great value. We're set at quarterback, we don't need Pat White. And the whole argument that he brings another element to the Wildcat is bogus because no one in the NFL is better at it than Ronnie Brown. He's smart, instinctive, a bruiser, and has a very good jump cut; no need to replace him in the formation.

Derrick Williams won't be a number one. He gives you nothing that Greg Camarillo and Davone Bess can't.

I'm not a huge fan of Clay Matthews as a 34 rusher. I think he'll do better as a strong side guy in the 43.
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When did the Patriots acquire all 255 picks in the draft? I forgot they were the only team participating in the selection meeting.
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