mayoclinic

That all sounds very level-headed and rational, so it probably doesn't belong on this board.

I guess for me, the 4 biggest areas I would like to see addressed on the 1st day are (in no particular order) OLB, SILB, S and OL. I would be thrilled to get top players in those 4 areas, but I kind of doubt that we will be able to hit on all 4, even with our abundance of picks.

For SILB Maualuga is the obvious choice, but I do have concerns about his instincts, intelligence, and ability to play in the Pats complex schemes. If I were convinced, then he would be a lock at 23 (but then, he would probably be gone earlier). Robert Ayers is intriguing, and Larry English and Clint Sintim have SILB potential too, but none is a lock. So do I take one at 23 or go with Barwin, who I think is the best Pats 3-4 OLB candidate in 4 years?

The other issue is that I really like Louis Delmas at S and I think William Beatty has the best feet of any OT prospect in a long time. So who do I go for first? In my mock I pretty much passed on SILB and went OLB, OT and S given the number of alternatives at S and OT generally being a position of higher demand. But I could easily see going for Delmas at 34. I could also see trading our 89 to move up (89 + 47 gets us to around 35, so perhaps we could get 3 of the 4 areas covered with top choices, like Barwin/Beatty/Delmas, or Maualuga/Barwin/Delmas, or some similar combination, depending on what the FO prefers).

Lots of choices. The dilemma of having lots of early picks in a very deep draft.

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Thanks.

I had Mickens and Burnett both going round 3. I like both. I don't know much about Owens.

What about these 2 guys as late round possibilities:

- Donald Washington, CB, Ohio St. Big CB who's had some off field issues and came out too early, but has a lot of talent. Had the highest vertical of the combine.
- Wopamo Osaisai, CB, Stanford. A track athlete with the classic BB build, billed as a possible 1st round pick a year ago, hasn't really developed. Is he worth a late round flyer?

Just thoughts.

I personally see DE being addressed in 2010 unless we can't pass up on the value (such as Gilbert slipping to #58). Otherwise, I'd much rather focus on a 3-4 DT possibility. Besides Chris Baker and Sammie Lee Hill, Dorell Scott from Clemson could possibly be interesting, but I don't know much about him. I had had my eye on Boo Robinson from Wake Forest, but he stayed in school for his senior year.

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Interesting draft. My comments:

- Surprised you don't have the Pats trading any of their pics
- I believe Miami traded C Sampson Satele. Alex Mack would be a natural fit in round 1.

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mayoclinic

Good points.

In reality, I expect at least a couple of trades - at least one within the draft, and probably one into 2010. The most likely possibilities I see are (1) trading up or down from 23, (2) packaging 89 with one of our other picks to move up, and (3) trading #58 into 2010 if we don't find sufficient value. I deliberately used all of our picks because I wanted to push some ideas out for discussion, such as the possibility of James Casey at #58. But your suggestion is more likely.

You're 100% right about the Phins needing to upgrade at center. Both Mack at 25 or Eric Wood/Max Unger at 44 (or with a small trade up) would probably be strong options for them. Maybe you should take over the reins on the next go around, as I whiffed entirely on that one.

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The vikings top TE got like 40 catches, and 7 touchdowns. The other TEs suck. I think the top TE brandon petigrew might be a good pick for the vikings, versatile TE that can block and catch.

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JoeShmoe

That's a great shout too. Maualuga and Mayo at ILB for the next 10 years .. what a prospect that is. He's probably ready to play and addresses a need with Guyton in rotation and Bruschi ending his career. We got a lot better last year when a big ILB like Seau came back

If he does drop to us at #23 then there is a definite case to take him there and hope Barwin lasts to #34 (I think he will) and then as you say pick up one of the safeties and an OG. We can always move up in the second to get who we want with one of the 3rd or 4th picks

amazinPats

Nice job! Very entertaining and interesting. You obviously put a lot of time into it. Hope the Pats get those players.

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Here's a quick 2 round variant of the above draft, with a few changes:

Round 1:

1. Detroit: Matt Stafford, QB. Detroit can't pass up the QB. Big mistake.
2. St. Louis: Jason Smith, OT, Baylor. St. Louis goes for the replacement for Orlando Pace to anchor their line.
3. Cleveland: Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest. Pioli gets the cornerstone for his defense.
4. Seattle: Mark Sanchez, QB, USC. With the top 2 tackles gone Seattle goes for Hasselbeck's replacement, but Sanchez is their guy for their version of the WCO.
5. Cleveland: Brian Orapko, DE/OLB, Texas. Mangini decides that Orapko is not Vernon Gholston II.
6. Cincinnati: Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia. Bengals can't pass one of the top 2 tackles left.
7. Oakland: Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech. Al Davis can't resist getting the "next Fred Belitnikoff". A steal at #7.
**Trade: Jacksonville trades #8 to Denver for #12 and #79.
8. Denver: BJ Raji, DT, Boston College. Denver gets the DT to anchor their 3-4 defense.
** Trade: Green Bay trades #9 to the Jets for #17 and #52.
9. Green Bay: Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio St. With Raji off the board and Al Harris and Charles Woodson aging, Capers goes for a big CB.
10. San Francisco: Aaron Maybin, DE/OLB, Penn St. Maybin is rising fast, and with the QB's gone SF goes for a pass rusher at OLB. Andre Smith and Rey Maualuga would also be options.
11. Buffalo: Everett Brown, DE/OLB, Florida St. Buffalo gets the pass rusher they crave. Robert Ayers is also an option.
12. Jacksonville: Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi. Del Rio coached Oher at the Senior Bowl. Jags fill their biggest need.
13. Washington: Andre Smith, OT, Alabama. Washington jumps at the chance to get the talented Smith to anchor the right side of their line.
14. New Orleans: Chris "Beanie" Wells, RB, Ohio St. Saints get their version of Thunder to go with Reggie Bush's Lightning.
15. Houston: Brian Cushing, OLB, USC. Houston gets a versatile LB who can play inside or out. Knowshon Moreno would also get some consideration.
** Trade: San Diego trades #16 to Minnesota for #22 and #86. With no 2nd, SD trades back a bit believing they can still get one of their guys.
16. Minnesota: Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri. Vikes hope he's not another Troy Williamson.
17. NY Jets: Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas. NY gets a young QB with a big arm. Rex Ryan is emboldened by Flacco's success in Baltimore.
18. Chicago: Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee. Chicago badly needs DE help.
19. Tampa Bay: Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi. With Freeman gone, the Bucs get a pass-rushing DT in the Warren Sapp mode.
20. Detroit: William Beatty, OT, Connecticut. Lions get the best LT left to protect Stafford.
21. Philadelphia: Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma St. They wanted Beanie Wells, but settle for a versatile TE.
22. San Diego: Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU. SD trades back, and still gets the top 3-4 DE to the gap left by Igor Olshansky. Rey Maualuga and Knowshon Moreno are also options.
** Trade: New England trades #23 and 58 to the NY Giants for #29 and 45.
23. NY Giants: Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina. Giants hear that Parcells loves Nicks, and the Giants trade up for the big WR they need to replace Plaxico Burress.
24. Atlanta: Clay Matthews, OLB, USC. With Pettigrew and Jerry gone, Falcons get a LLB to replace Keith Brooking.
25. Miami: Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois. With Nicks gone, Miami goes for the most physically talented CB in the draft. Connor Barwin is an option here.
26. Baltimore: Rey Maualuga, ILB. Baltimore gets a physical ILB to replace Bart Scott and learn under Ray Lewis. Hakeem Nicks and Darius Butler will also get serious consideration.
27. Indianapolis: Percy Harvin, WR, Florida. Imagine what Peyton Manning can do with Harvin in addition to his other weapons, at both WR and out of the backfield. Nicks is also an option.
28. Philadelphia: Eben Britton, OT, Arizona. Eventual replacement for William Thomas at left tackle. Philly picks Britton over William Beatty because he is more physical, fitting their style.
29. New England: Connor Barwin, OLB, Cincinnati. With Parcells rumored to be enamored of Barwin, the Pats don't wait until #34 to get their 3-4 OLB. Rey Maualuga and William Beatty are also possibilities.
30. Tennessee: Darius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland. Tennessee gets a speedy, big WR.
31. Arizona: Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia. The Cardinals get their choice to replace the Edge. Moreno slips a bit because of his 40 time, and is a steal here - another Emmit Smith.
32. Pittsburgh: Alex Mack, OG/C, California. Steelers get a powerful, smart anchor for it's biggest area of need.

Round 2:

33. Detroit: James Laurinaitis, ILB, Ohio St. With QB and OT filled, Detroit goes defense. Laurinaitis will fit in nicely with Julian Peterson and Ernie Sims.
34. New England: Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan. Pats get their version of Troy Polamalu.
35. St. Louis: Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut. Wanted Laurinaitis, but settles for the best pure CB in the draft.
36. Cleveland: Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest. Mangini gets a ballhawking CB for his backfield.
37. Seattle: Donald Brown, RB, Connecticut. The Hawks get their replacement for Shawn Alexander to go with their new QB. UConn is on a roll.
38. Cincinnati: Max Unger, OG/C, Oregon. Bengals get a versatile interior lineman to block for Beanie Wells and Carson Palmer. Eric Wood from nearby Louisville is also an option.
39. Jacksonville: Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers. Jaguars hope this big WR works out better than Matt Jones and Reggie Williams.
40. Oakland: Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech. Al Davis gets a physical freak on the DL.
41. Green Bay: Ron Brace, DT, Boston College. Green Bay misses on Raji but gets his teammate to be their 3-4 DT anchor.
** Trade: Buffalo trades #42 to Indianapolis for #61, 92 and 127.
42. Indianapolis: Evander "Ziggy" Hood, DT, Missouri. As in 2007, Indy moves up to cover a need when a player they covet is still available.
43. San Francisco: Jamon Meredith, OT, South Carolina. SF wanted Brace, but settles for a versatile OT who can bookend Joe Staley.
44. Miami: Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio St. Miami gets the big, smooth WR they need.
** Trade: New England trades #45 and a conditional 2010 pick to New Orleans for the Saints 2010 1st round pick
45. New Orleans: William Moore, S, Missouri. With no 2nd or 3rd round pick, the Saints trade up and get their pick of the remaining 3 top safeties.
46. Houston: Sean Smith, CB/S, Utah. Another safety fills a big need.
47. New England: Jarren Gilbert, DE, San Jose St. Pats get line help in case Seymour leaves after 2009.
48. Denver: Larry English, DE, Northern Illinois. Broncos gets a pash rusher with a great motor for their 3-4. Patrick Chung is also an option here.
49. Chicago: DJ Moore, CB, Vanderbilt. The Bears get an immediate upgrade at DB. Moore slips because of his slow 40 time and size.
50. Cleveland: Clint Sintim, LB, Virginia. Versatile 3-4 LB can play inside or out.
51. Dallas: Patrick Chung, S, Oregon. Replaces Roy Williams at SS. Big hitter, but better coverage ability.
52. NY Jets: Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa. Big bruising runner to go with Thomas Jones and Leon Washington.
53. Philadelphia: LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh. "Shady" falls a bit, and will share time with Westbrook.
54. Minnesota: Philip Loadholt, Oklahoma. Massive road grader to help pave the way for the best running team in the NFL. Nice fit opposite Bryant McKenzie.
** Trade: Atlanta trades #55 and #125 to Arizona for #63 and #95. With several talented TE's still available, Atlanta trades back.
55. Arizona: Eric Wood, C, Louisville. Arizona fills their other big need on offense with a smart 4 year starter at center. They don't think he'll last to 63, and they're right.
56. Miami: Pat White, QB, West Virginia. Parcells hears rumors that Belichick loves White, and snatches him up.
57. Baltimore: Coye Francies, CB, San Jose St. The Ravens love big CBs.
58. NY Giants: James Casey, TE, Rice. Giants get a smart, versatile athletic player who can help make up for the loss of Jeremy Shockey.
59. Carolina: Sen'Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn. Carolina gets an athletic, penetrating DT.
60. NY Giants: Marcus Freeman, OLB, Ohio St. LB is the Giant's biggest need left.
61. Buffalo: Jared Cook, TE, South Carolina. Buffalo trades down and still gets a the most athletic TE in the draft.
62. Tennessee: Paul Kruger, DE, Utah. Tennessee loads up on lineman.
63. Atlanta: Shawn Nelson , TE, Southern Mississippi. Atlanta trades back and still gets an athletic TE for Ryan.
64. Pittsburgh: Fili Moala, DE/DT, USC. Big athletic 3-4 DE.

The 3rd round would go mostly as previously listed. For the Pats, getting Barwin, Delmas, Gilbert, a DT and OT in the 3rd round and a WR in the 4th, and an extra 2010 1st rounder would be a great haul.

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mayoclinic

Sorry, on the previous post I forgot to delete the trade between GB and the Jets (since Stafford is off the board on this version). GB stays at #9 and the Jets at #17 and 52.

Ending up with Barwin, Delmas and Gilbert plus a 2010 1st round might be the nicest 1st day so far. It's not impossible. We miss out on OL on the 1st day, but there's plenty of talent in the 3rd round (we could trade up for Troy Kropog at OT; TJ Lang, Andy Levitre, Trevor Canfield and Keith Urbik are all available at OG as well as Caldwell at C) and it's not an immediate need. And with two 1sts in 2010 we could conceivably get a top OT like Brian Bulaga, Ciron Black, Trent Williams, etc. Other 2010 day 1 options might include SILB (Brandon Spikes, Rolando McClain, Eric Norwood) or WR (Aurelius Benn, Dez Bryant, Brandon LaFell, Marshawn Gilbert).

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