mayoclinic

He probably could, though he's a bit on the small side. But we need him too much at WILB, where he's a perfect fit and the future captain of the defense.

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Box_O_Rocks

He could, but the problem of having shorter LBs on the edge in NE's defense is they are trying to see around TE/OTs that are so much larger. Playing off the LOS lets them see the play developing behind the O-line and anticipate the play, whereas a 6'6" Crable can see over the TE/OT and read the play for himself.

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Feep50

Thx MayoClinic, 2 thoughts. Small as in short? or height and weight both?
I was somewhat amazed that he was a starter from day 1 as I was used to all the talk here of how complicated our LB system is. Amazed and pleased I should say. It will be fun to see how he progresses from last season.

Thx, BoR also..... missed your post will writing this one......Makes sense... It's height that's the key

satz

Vrabel is around 265 and thomas 270 lb compared to mayo at 240. you cannot ask him to engage tackles at 300-330 lb every down.

what ever olb we get it is going to take time to develop so i do not see one at 23 as if you could a CB or DE[with all the money their if we can a stud for 5 yrs we can clear cap and get rid of 1 big $$$ contract] who can contribute . the best value is to pick them in the 2nd as they will be atheletic enough and can take time to develop playing in limited role.

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Box_O_Rocks

Yeh, but we can get a 5th year on contract in the late first.

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Ochmed Jones

Starting from Day 1? Highly doubtful!

However at #23 it is not out of the question to get a guy that could be groomed for PT duty in the base defense by game 6 or so and then finish the 2nd half of the year as the first and second down LBer. (giving way to a pass rushing vet like Taylor on 3rd down.)

Feep50

Following this thought further: who do you like in this role/pick?

In other words, whose your binkys here at #23 if they did look to OLB

bakes781

Wannabe Guru here

I've made it clear I like Larry English and here's why...

2005
78 tackles, 7 TFL and 1 sack
2006
51 tackles, 16 TFL, 12 sacks and a 1st Team All-MAC selection
2007
67 tackles, 17 TFL, 10.5 sacks, an MVP trophy and another 1st Team All-MAC selection
2008
37 tackles, 14.5 TFL, 8 sacks and MAC MVP

His stock only went up from competing with the best at the Senoir Bowl. He caught my eye when I saw him manhandle the LT and still manage to take down the RB. Almost all the prospects at this position are conversion guys, so there will be a learning curve, but as others have mentioned he has the potential to play inside as well.

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Feep50

Hard to pass up these stats and production. I have been in the English camp for a while myself. I also like Matthews here because of the BB connection to his dad. But production is a priority #23. coming in third on my list is Sintin, although #23 seems to steep a price for him.

Box_O_Rocks

You do know Barwin's first year on defense he matched English's sophomore season? And he plays Special Teams and he's a good TE and he's more athletic... I like the longer production timeline on defense, but all things being equal, you lad is a damned fine 4-3 DE who still has to face the same transition challenges with fewer tools.

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