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j00fek · 02-20-2009, 01:40 PM

another fail mock

tanked_as_usual · 02-20-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

Jerry is actually strong enough for DE in the NE 3-4, he's certainly a much better choice than all the drafts predicting Cushing at #23.

he might be strong enough, but at 6'1", he doesn't fit the scheme.......

***Box_O_Rocks*** · 02-20-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tanked_as_usual

he might be strong enough, but at 6'1", he doesn't fit the scheme.......

Rather, he doesn't fit the profile. The question then shifts to his ability to play the scheme despite profile nonconformity? Myself, I would go in a different direction because what little I've seen isn't conclusive enough to commit to him in a 3-4, but that's not to say he couldn't 'git'er done.' I'll also grant the point that Florio and Company mocking for NE is a stike against him, but I'm not going to get down on the kid for their sorry stench.

PatsChamp88 · 02-20-2009, 02:43 PM

Yeah PFT's specialty is reporting "news" not doing mock drafts, power rankings, and fantasy rankings. I saw this one earlier just kinda laughed and moved on.

zero · 02-20-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by j00fek

another fail mock

Epic failure (Perria doesn't fit scheme, not best player avaiable)

***mayoclinic*** · 02-20-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

Rather, he doesn't fit the profile. The question then shifts to his ability to play the scheme despite profile nonconformity? Myself, I would go in a different direction because what little I've seen isn't conclusive enough to commit to him in a 3-4, but that's not to say he couldn't 'git'er done.' I'll also grant the point that Florio and Company mocking for NE is a stike against him, but I'm not going to get down on the kid for their sorry stench.

Sedrick Ellis was strong enough to play 3-4 DE last year. Some draftniks suggested that the Pats would take him at #7 as "BPA"; they obviously didn't agree. Perry is a bit like Ellis, less strong but perhaps a bit quicker. He might be able to make the conversion - it's not a ridiculous thought. The question is, why spend a 1st round pick on a DE prospect who doesn't fit the profile? Obviously, if the Pats fall in love with him and believe he could be a standout 3-4 DE then he would have value at that selection, but it seems unlikely.

PFT's mock appears to be deliberately provocative, much like (as someone already mentioned) some of Kiper's early mocks. Moreno at #6, Nicks the first WR off the board at #9, Crabtree falling to #12, Matthews going #15, Jason Smith falling to #21, Everett Brown and Orapko falling to #24 and #29 (with Michael Johnson going ahead of Orapko), are either deranged and demented (quite possible given it's coming from Florio) at this time, or just an effort to do something different and provoke controversy (quite possible given it's coming from Florio).

My2Cents · 02-21-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stinkypete

The problem with building too much of a reputation/fanbase is that you feel pressured to be the one to predict late risers/fallers/reaches. That need to shock and be different supersedes all rational common sense.

This happens to Kiper every year. I recall one mock had the Steelers taking Maurice Stovall in round 1 (over Holmes/Jennings). I know you got yourself a reputation for nailing a few unexpected picks, Mel, but let's be real here.

In the case of PFT, Florio recently write that he knows a source that believes Crabtree may fall out of the top 10 if he runs the 40 in under 4.50. Possible? Sure. But it hasn't happened yet, and to predict that Macklin and Hakeem Nicks (!?) will get taken ahead of Crabtree to me is stretching for the sake of making a stretch.

That is one of the most precise and insightful posts I've ever read. Well done.

***VJCPatriot*** · 02-21-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stinkypete

The problem with building too much of a reputation/fanbase is that you feel pressured to be the one to predict late risers/fallers/reaches. That need to shock and be different supersedes all rational common sense.

This happens to Kiper every year. I recall one mock had the Steelers taking Maurice Stovall in round 1 (over Holmes/Jennings). I know you got yourself a reputation for nailing a few unexpected picks, Mel, but let's be real here.

In the case of PFT, Florio recently write that he knows a source that believes Crabtree may fall out of the top 10 if he runs the 40 in under 4.50. Possible? Sure. But it hasn't happened yet, and to predict that Macklin and Hakeem Nicks (!?) will get taken ahead of Crabtree to me is stretching for the sake of making a stretch.

Looks like they were spot on about Crabtree. Crabtree won't even run the 40 and has come down with an injury so he can't participate in any other workout either.

As for Orakpo dropping all the way down to the late 20's, I'm really surprised. Peria Jerry is also a pretty good player. I think they anticipate Wilfork leaving, is why they plugged him in for us, however he might be more suitable as a 4-3 DT who shoots the gap.

Ochmed Jones · 02-21-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by VJCPatriot

Looks like they were spot on about Crabtree. Crabtree won't even run the 40 and has come down with an injury so he can't participate in any other workout either.

As for Orakpo dropping all the way down to the late 20's, I'm really surprised. Peria Jerry is also a pretty good player. I think they anticipate Wilfork leaving, is why they plugged him in for us, however he might be more suitable as a 4-3 DT who shoots the gap.

Is Orakpo a one year wonder? He didn't impress me all that much last season, especially in the bowl game.

Richter · 02-22-2009, 12:40 PM

Their top wide receiver, Hakeem Nicks, averaged a 4.5 in the 40. I can't see him going ahead of Crabtree or Maclin.