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***Box_O_Rocks*** · 01-13-2009, 02:34 PM

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I like when you're right and also when you think you're right.

Should I be watching more Baltimore games? (I'm nauseous enough at the ballwashing Ray gets, you think I need more?)

***Clonamery*** · 01-13-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

Should I be watching more Baltimore games? (I'm nauseous enough at the ballwashing Ray gets, you think I need more?)

You've seen enough.

......after a year in the ubiquitous (?) 3-4, it felt like Ray-Ray was crying almost as much as the dear departed Favre at his yearly retirement banquet.

I give him his due as a player but he wanted the change merely for himself to perform better not necessarily the team.

***Box_O_Rocks*** · 01-28-2009, 08:24 PM

Now Cincy is kicking around the idea of going 3-4...

News - Zimmer seeks more - Cincinnati Bengals

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Zimmer and head coach Marvin Lewis probably aren't going to change the Bengals basic 4-3 look, but Zimmer also never says never in his crusade to get more pressure on the passer.

"If we get the right two or three players, we could do it," said Zimmer of the perpetual 3-4 question. "But you run into the problem that after a season you get everything corrected and you get your fits better and all that, can you improve if you do something else? I think we've got a good foundation."
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The Bengals have a potential 3-4 tackle in Domata Peko and two 3-4 outside backers in Robert Geathers and Antwan Odom. But the reason they most likely are going to stay put in what they've got is they've got a shortage of 3-4 ends.

***Box_O_Rocks*** · 01-30-2009, 02:23 PM

For any who think NE should just sign the head case from Miami:

The National Football Post | Diner Morning News

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FROM HARVEY FIALKOV OF THE SOUTH FLORIDA SUN SENTINEL… A source told the Sun Sentinel that the Dolphins are definitely interested in re-signing free-agent tackle Vernon Carey. Free agency doesn’t start until Feb. 27, so negotiations will probably heat up during the week of the NFL Scouting Combine (Feb. 24). Carey, along with left guard Justin Smiley, were the most experienced players on a young offensive line that took a bad hit when promising rookie Donald Thomas was lost for the season in the first regular-season game. “The Dolphins want Carey back and they will continue to bolster their offensive line,” the source said. The same probably can’t be said for free-agent linebacker Channing Crowder, who was low balled by the team’s first offer.

There is no doubt in my mind that Carey will be back next year, and if he’s not signed before the deadline for a Franchise tag can be placed, the Dolphins will just tag him. One area of many that the Fins improved on in ‘08 was their offensive line. They became physical and proficient in pass protection. Carey is in the right spot playing right tackle and has become a solid player in the league.

The one thing a new staff must do when it comes to a team is get the players in the right positions. The Fins moved their offensive line around and found the right positions for the players to maximize their talents, and Carey clearly is a much better right tackle than left. Staffs like to tinker with moving players around, but the head coach must be very good at evaluations, and he must put his players in the right positions. Oftentimes, assistant coaches will take the path of least resistance, or make a player play a spot where he is not comfortable.

As for Crowder, he is a good player, but durability issues and concerns about his three-down play will keep the Fins from making him a huge offer. Crowder is a replaceable part. He’s a player you would want back, but the cost is just as important as getting the player back. I would rather overpay for a great player, like Haynesworth, than overpay for a replaceable part like Crowder. That’s how you kill your cap. There are more players available like Crowder but very few like Haynesworth and Carey. Teams must rely on their scouting departments to find young and cheap talent and must be willing to let a replaceable part leave. In fact, the year before a replaceable part type of player becomes a free agent, a team’s draft strategy should include finding his replacement. Teams must look ahead and draft for the next year’s free agent class.

If Crowder isn't good enough for teh fishies, why would NE want him?

***Box_O_Rocks*** · 02-10-2009, 01:11 AM

New Era Scouting Archive Inside Information: February 3rd

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Inside Information: February 3rd
by Matt Miller

The 2008 NFL season is over, and the second season has now begun. We’ve put together our first edition of the popular Inside Information section.
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- One thing that every team is looking for this year is a play-making safety. Teams want an Ed Reed-clone, and will look to the draft for this.
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- Will Matt Cassel end up in Kansas City with Scott Pioli? Our moles in Kansas City are saying that the Chiefs will make a run at Cassel.

If everyone is looking for a playmaking Safety NE may need to use that #23 on a Safety...which will make you Sean Smith folks happy, though I'm thinking Louis Delmas.

***mayoclinic*** · 02-10-2009, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

New Era Scouting Archive Inside Information: February 3rdIf everyone is looking for a playmaking Safety NE may need to use that #23 on a Safety...which will make you Sean Smith folks happy, though I'm thinking Louis Delmas.

Of course everyone wants an Ed Reed clone. Easier said than done. I'd also like a Troy Polamalu clone too to play next to him, a Nnamdi Asomugha clone, a Karlos Dansby clone to play ILB, and a Terrell Suggs or DeMarcus Ware clone to play 3-4 OLB. And that's just on defense.

Seneschal2 · 02-10-2009, 07:37 AM

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If everyone is looking for a playmaking Safety NE may need to use that #23 on a Safety...which will make you Sean Smith folks happy, though I'm thinking Louis Delmas.

Delmas and the rest of the Safety crop aren't currently ranked in round one. Even though I'd be the first to say BB doesn't adhere to rankings -- some of the other teams do. Teams may not even consider a Safety before round two, although Delmas could be snatched as a late first. Point being, if, come draft day the value for the Safety position is placed in the round 2-3 area (as it is now), then the Pats could wait till then. And with their abundance of picks, the Pats would be in a safe position to target a Safety and move up in round two if they're so inclined. Keep in mind that there's still a possibility that any Cassel trade may garner another second or third-rounder, as would a #23 tradedown, making it that much easier to succeed in their targeting.

I'm not opposed to drafting a Safety early, as my #1 want going into this draft is to add a playmaking DB (CB or Safety). But any DB at #23 would have to represent solid value -- be it Delmas or someone else.

Currently, here are the FS and SS round projections by NFLDraftscout (Top 4 only):

FS
Moore, William - 2-3
Delmas, Louis - 2-3
Pegues, Derek - 3
Johnson, Rashad - 3-4

SS
Chung, Patrick - 2
Hamlin, Michael - 2-3
Vaughn, Chip - 3
Cook, Emanuel - 3-4

***Box_O_Rocks*** · 02-10-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Seneschal2

Delmas and the rest of the Safety crop aren't currently ranked in round one. Even though I'd be the first to say BB doesn't adhere to rankings -- some of the other teams do. Teams may not even consider a Safety before round two, although Delmas could be snatched as a late first. Point being, if, come draft day the value for the Safety position is placed in the round 2-3 area (as it is now), then the Pats could wait till then. And with their abundance of picks, the Pats would be in a safe position to target a Safety and move up in round two if they're so inclined. Keep in mind that there's still a possibility that any Cassel trade may garner another second or third-rounder, as would a #23 tradedown, making it that much easier to succeed in their targeting.

I'm not opposed to drafting a Safety early, as my #1 want going into this draft is to add a playmaking DB (CB or Safety). But any DB at #23 would have to represent solid value -- be it Delmas or someone else.

Currently, here are the FS and SS round projections by NFLDraftscout (Top 4 only):

FS
Moore, William - 2-3
Delmas, Louis - 2-3
Pegues, Derek - 3
Johnson, Rashad - 3-4

SS
Chung, Patrick - 2
Hamlin, Michael - 2-3
Vaughn, Chip - 3
Cook, Emanuel - 3-4

You're rankings are a bit off from what I've been reading lately:

FS
Moore, William - 2-4
Delmas, Louis - 2, with at least one draftnik mock (as opposed to fan mock)
having him go at #23 (which got me thinking of the Mankins draft).
Pegues, Derek - 2
Johnson, Rashad - 2-3

SS
Chung, Patrick - 2
Hamlin, Michael - 2-3
Vaughn, Chip - 3
Cook, Emanuel - 3-5

KevinFaulk-33 · 02-10-2009, 12:34 PM

Trade down at the #28-29-30 spot and get Delmas?

***PATSNUTme*** · 02-10-2009, 01:42 PM

Smith is ranked as a CB but I would like to see the Patriots take him as a FS. He seems to be rising lately and in most mocks and player rankings have him ranked between 20 and 34.