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First, I would note that we almost always carry nine offensive linemen, 5 starters, 2 backup interior linemen and 2 backup tackles. In the four backups, we need two Game Day backups, one interior (who must be a backup center) and one tackle.

I agree that the five starters are locks. I would also consider LeVoir a lock. He is an inexpensive ERFA and has been playing well when needed. In any case, he is an inexpensive prospect. Hochstein is the best utility backup lineman in a decade. I expect that Hochstein will be extended and would be a lock for me. This locks up my Game Day seven.

Obviously, we always look for a player who is a future stud all-pro starter. If anyone can figure out how to do that, they should be working for the team. Of course, we would sign one if we see him. As has been posted, Neal and Mankins are signed through 2009, so the need is at OG.

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O'Callaghan is still on the roster for 2009, although I would be more comfortable if we would just sign an injury settlement and send him on his way. His history of concussions is a serious problem. So, I have Britt (with a level 2 tender) and Yates as the incumbants. If they can be upgraded, fine. If not, we are ready for the 2009 season today at OL.

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I don't see a need. I expect the usual 5th and/or 6th round prospects.
Why do you consider Levior a lock? I don't see anything mpressive there and I don't see a lot of athletism or upside.
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I consider anyone who costs $300K or so and has started as a lock one of the three backups. As of now, Levior is our #3 OT. While he could be cut, it would take finding and signing or drafting two tackles who would beat out Levoir. You say that he hasn't looked impressive. How amy bad plays do you recall when he played. People are always posting bad plays from the starters.

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I consider anyone who costs $300K or so and has started as a lock one of the three backups. As of now, Levior is our #3 OT. While he could be cut, it would take finding and signing or drafting two tackles who would beat out Levoir. You say that he hasn't looked impressive. How amy bad plays do you recall when he played. People are always posting bad plays from the starters.
Like w LeKevin in the other thread - LeVoir's status on the team depends heavily on the draft.
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The future of almost every backup on the team depends on the draft. Of course we might draft two OT's who will both beat out LeVoir. It does seem unlikely. And we could draft two DL's who push out LeKevin. I think that this too is unlikely.

As I stated elsewhere, we should definitely be looking at the lines in the early draft, as we always do. This time, unless we have extended someone, the DL need is severe, and the OL need is not so much.

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As I stated elsewhere, we should definitely be looking at the lines in the early draft, as we always do. This time, unless we have extended someone, the DL need is severe, and the OL need is not so much.
I concur, though I'd downgrade your severe to potentially significant with the post 2009 re-signings to be considered. Like many I'd love to see a reserve NT who can beat out Mike Wright for the job.
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I don't see the Pats offering Britt a contract unless O'Callaghan just can't recover from his injury issues.. LaVoir has passed Britt on the depth chart for RT.

The Pats just lost Bender to the 49ers, as he was signed to their 53 man roster.

I am hoping that the 1st two picks of this draft are used on the Lines. The Pats need more talent there.
Good call on the heads up about Bender. That's too bad, he would've been an interesting developmental prospect. But, we'll probably grab a few of those via the draft and UDFAs anyway.
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Backup C/utility, Backup/future starting G, Backup T/competition for RT
One player I'm very high on is C/G Jonathan Luigs, Arkansas. I won't do a profile on him, but he's one of my top 5 Pats prospects in this draft. Obviously he's a good enough C to have won the Rimington award last year, but he also has the ability to play OG as well. He can fill in for Koppen immediately, and hopefully replace Neal when the time arrives. BTW, is Mankins an automatic to re-up?

This is a very smart player who makes all the line calls. Excells in the run game, and this season has faired well in Arkansas' passing offense. Currently, Luigs has a round two ranking, as there are two C's ranked higher -- but that may change. BB likes versatility and solid intangibles in his players. IMO, Luigs is an upgrade from Hoch, w/ starter potential at two positions.

Regardless of Kaczur's improved play, the OT position could still use an upgrade if there's an opportunity. I do believe the Pats will address the OL early w/ one player, and later on with another.

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One player I'm very high on is C/G Jonathan Luigs, Arkansas. I won't do a profile on him, but he's one of my top 5 Pats prospects in this draft. Obviously he's a good enough C to have won the Rimington award last year, but he also has the ability to play OG as well. He can fill in for Koppen immediately, and hopefully replace Neal when the time arrives. BTW, is Mankins an automatic to re-up?

This is a very smart player who makes all the line calls. Excells in the run game, and this season has faired well in Arkansas' passing offense. Currently, Luigs has a round two ranking, as there are two C's ranked higher -- but that may change. BB likes versatility and solid intangibles in his players. IMO, Luigs is an upgrade from Hoch, w/ starter potential at two positions.

Regardless of Kaczur's improved play, the OT position could still use an upgrade if there's an opportunity. I do believe the Pats will address the OL early w/ one player, and later on with another.

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If he can play Guard and if he's as good as you think he is, might be worth a 2nd round pick. This line looks horrid when Neal is out and we have to plug in Yates.
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If the Pats are looking for a center I would think they want one with more power than Koppen.

Going by the draft ratings from these site, which I do not trust, the only center that can handle bull rushers is Mack. But doubt we would spend that high a draft pick.

Unger fits the Pats profile for being able to handle any spot on the line.

I saw very little of Luigs, whom did not look overly powerful.

Anybody know the ranking of A. Caldwel center from Alabama?? 300 lber, He looks road hoggish.
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We're not looking for a center. Pro-bowler Koppen is locked up through 2011. HOWEVER, one of the backup guards will need to be the backup center, and the backup long-snapper.

Hochstein should be re-signed to meet these two backup roles. We have Levoir as an inexpensive backup tackle for at least through 2010. This gives us our Gameday 7 (the same as now). We have room for two developmental backups (plus a couple on the Practice Squad). It is time for Dante's Academy to be back in session.

Of course, we could look for upgrades. In any case, as of now, we have EXACTLY ZERO guards signed past 2009. For me, this is our #2 draft need, #1 if we re-sign James Sanders.

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If the Pats are looking for a center I would think they want one with more power than Koppen.

Going by the draft ratings from these site, which I do not trust, the only center that can handle bull rushers is Mack. But doubt we would spend that high a draft pick.

Unger fits the Pats profile for being able to handle any spot on the line.

I saw very little of Luigs, whom did not look overly powerful.

Anybody know the ranking of A. Caldwel center from Alabama?? 300 lber, He looks road hoggish.
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