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***BananaRepublican*** · 01-06-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

the last game was a total beat down by the Pats and it wasn't because of poor execution of the Texans.

I'd agree that primarily the Pats' game plan was other-worldly better than Houston's. I also have to conclude that Houston's offensive personnel (mainly Schaub) limit what they can call.

But then who can forget the safety biting on the play-action that went to Lloyd? Geez, lack of execution there if we ever saw it.

As I remember it the Stallworth TD was a sorta botched job too. He ran right by guys who seemed to get confused about who had him.

Can you imagine Gronk running that seam next week?

***Brady_to_Moss*** · 01-06-2013, 01:19 PM

gronk and hernandez back on the field against houston unlike week 10...i like it

Bhelmet · 01-06-2013, 01:31 PM

IMO, it will be far more important to have the same D personnel healthy than the O. We have proven to be an O that can overcome injuries - this D will have a harder time trying to overcome some of the injuries they are dealing with.

RIpats88 · 01-06-2013, 01:45 PM

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IMO, it will be far more important to have the same D personnel healthy than the O. We have proven to be an O that can overcome injuries - this D will have a harder time trying to overcome some of the injuries they are dealing with.

after all their time off, I hope Talib/Dennard are good to go...

I was under the impression that both most likely wouldve played had it been a playoff game.

***PatsWickedPissah*** · 01-06-2013, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RIpats88

after all their time off, I hope Talib/Dennard are good to go...

I was under the impression that both most likely wouldve played had it been a playoff game.

Shanahan woulda played 'em

Bhelmet · 01-06-2013, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RIpats88

after all their time off, I hope Talib/Dennard are good to go...

I was under the impression that both most likely wouldve played had it been a playoff game.

I hope that is the case - and it may be, but noone from the Pats organization calls me to let me know.

***Brady_to_Moss*** · 01-06-2013, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RIpats88

after all their time off, I hope Talib/Dennard are good to go...

I was under the impression that both most likely wouldve played had it been a playoff game.

talib played in jax with his bad hip...he will play

***AndyJohnson*** · 01-06-2013, 02:19 PM

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Yes it was only 13 (as I typed later in my post) not 14.... my error but doesn't change that it is a lofty win total. It seems whatever the Texans do has a rather obvious and positive result most of the time (results that most teams wish they could replicate).

The Texans did not execute well and it was reflected in the score. If they would have executed better would they have won? No and I said about as much....but better execution could have made it competitive. For example, it was 21 to 0 at half time. The Patriots had 6 meaningful first half possessions. Three 3 and outs, one Patriot TD that was greatly aided by a PI call on a 3rd and 10 (that was poor execution by Texans), one TD by the Patriots where AH split out wide and, literally, had no Texan go over and line up to cover him (again, poor Texan execution).
The Texans offense had 5 meaningful possessions in the first half: a drive to the Patriot 21 end on a 2nd and 8 with a very poorly executed pass plus two drives end around the Patriot 35, both on 4th and 5 turnovers on downs.
If the Texans don't commit PI, don't throw an absurd Int and can complete just 1 of 2 passes for a measly 5 yards? Halftime likely goes from 21-0 to 14-6. That isn't rosy for the Texans but it remains a one score, competitive game at halftime.
Next Patriots TD approaching mid 3rd quarter (and the one that arguably puts the game on ice and sees the Texans start to pack it in) is a 65 yard TD to Stallworth. When you give up a 65 yard TD there is likely some level of poor execution on the defense side (see the Patriots v 9ers game for an example of that).

Again, would the Texans have won if they executed? It still is not likely but a one score game at halftime is a vastly different game than 21 to 0 at halftime. But remember this is Foxboro in December where the odds say there is little chance anyone wins. Where every gameplan fails at a, what is it, 95% clip?
But if you think a 13 win team needs to do it differently to win versus doing what has got them 13 wins (except executing it well)? I guess we should hope they don't change.....should make the chances of a Patriot victory very high....

So let me understand. Any team that isn't good enoigh to make a play didn't [I]execute[I] so not being good enough is an excuse for losing that means next time you will be?
My God, we destoyed that team. Now we are saying a TD drive doesn't count because one play had a blown coverage, a pass interference, that was the reason the WR didn't catch the pass isnt a real play, an interception is luck, a 65 yard TD pass isn't really football, and doesnt count.
If all of those plays don't count which ones do? Does the 15 yard run by Foster not count because the DL didn't execute not getting blocked?
Can we bring Sergio Brown back and have a probowl safety if he just chooses to execute?

***Rob0729*** · 01-06-2013, 03:10 PM

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- I never suggested everything hinged on one thing. Patriot execution, game planning obviously aided in their win. This does not nullify that their victory was helped along by some Texan miscues.

Name a game where a team played perfectly and got blown out. Fact of the matter is that in every blowout, the losing team has their fair share of miscues. Many of the miscues are caused by the other team.

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- It was a very borderline PI call. Arguably should not have been called IMHO. Some agreed, some disagreed after the game.

Marginal or not, it was pass interference.

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- The uncovered AH play was likely aided by the potency of the Patriot offense and hurry up ability, however, he split far right (almost to the sideline) and, literally, no defender went to that side of the field. Even the Jets know to send a cover man over to line up on a receiver that far from the line.

The Pats and a lot of other teams end up having receivers uncovered a lot. Again, you seem to be making too much of these mistakes.

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- That is EXACTLY the point. IF it was a closer game then what plays are run, how the game transpires changes. It is no knock on the Patriots to say a few plays changed the complexion by halftime. Same thing with the Patriots versus 9ers. Just a few plays different and the complexion of that game changes at halftime.

There is a difference between arguing a team changing their gameplan in a three TD lead in the first half and claiming a few mental errors changed how the Texans played.

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- Yes I see a pattern. If the Patriots execute some other plays better they could have won by more. Not sure how that makes your point? As the point you made is execution of X plays could change the game....

Just showing you the better execution argument goes both ways.

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- You say "people recreating"? Ok, so if I say people just blindly assume team A was unbeatable and team B couldn't beat it's way out of a wet paper bag just by looking at the final score, is that as applicable to the point of discussion?? The argument is, if the Texans executed better on a handful plays with their gameplan, would it have been competitive? If you see that as recreating the game? Ok..... I disagree.

The fact of the matter is the Pats won by 28 points. And it probably wasn't that close. The best argument you can probably give is that if the Texans executed better, they might have only lost by 14 to 21 points. If the Texans executed better, they still would have gotten blown out. Because the Pats would have executed better late in the second and in the third rather than working on exploiting the deep pass on third downs.

***Rob0729*** · 01-06-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BananaRepublican

I'd agree that primarily the Pats' game plan was other-worldly better than Houston's. I also have to conclude that Houston's offensive personnel (mainly Schaub) limit what they can call.

But then who can forget the safety biting on the play-action that went to Lloyd? Geez, lack of execution there if we ever saw it.

As I remember it the Stallworth TD was a sorta botched job too. He ran right by guys who seemed to get confused about who had him.

Can you imagine Gronk running that seam next week?

Tell me a game over the last month or so where the Texans didn't have poorly executed plays. They have been a horrible red zone team over that time because of poor execution. They had poor execution on defense yesterday, but the Bengals couldn't capitalize on it either.

Fact of the matter, when a team lose by 28 points you are going to find plenty of horribly executed plays. Many of those horribly executed plays are caused by the other team.

Also, the Pats had their fair share of poor executed plays and mental errors. All you have to do is look at the first two plays of the game. They give up a big run by Foster because of poor execution and tackling followed by a timeout because the Pats had 13 men on the field. Poor execution is magnified by the losers in a big loss.