Ivan

When you start calling people "Nazi's" Ken then you get what you paid for. You have exposed yourself as a complete fraud and know nothing on this matter and topped it off with a "Nazi" reference. Rather than respond to another one of your lame 5,000 word posts i will just put you on ignore, which is where you belonged all along.

ATippett56

Oh really?

Stanford Routt of Oakland Raiders signs three-year, $31.5M contract - ESPN

You have not taken into account either the stupidity and/or desperation of NFL general managers, especially those on the hot seat.

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supafly

You want to talk about dropped balls, Double TE? Wallace was the king of dropped balls this year in Pittsburgh. So much that even the Steeler diehards are ready to run him out of town.

Wallace is just another player who has a very high ceiling, but we cannot predict whether or not he'll live up to it. He certainly has not done enough to warrant the kind of money that he's asking for, but I'm sure that won't stop one of the usual suspects from paying him 10-11 million+.

It also should be known that he struggled to pick up Todd Haley's offensive system this year in Pittsburgh at times, so he's yet another player who may not be able to excel in this kind of scheme.

On top of that there have been rumors of attitude problems, although that is just speculation.

By retaining Welker we are guaranteed that the production will be higher, he'll know where to be to bail Brady out of jams (probably the most important aspect), he knows the system inside and out, and his toughness and attitude won't be anything of an issue.

Wallace may look like the "sexier/fancier" choice, but Welker is the guy who I'd want 100/100 times. That doesn't mean that the NEP will stop trying to find young and fast WR's in the draft or through UDFA either, in terms of trying to find the next Wallace that will come much cheaper.

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Double TE

I am not disagreeing but his speed is ridiculous and he may be a beast in this system. Plus he is younger than Wes. I agree though the $$$ likely will be too high.

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Ivan

But the truth is that's what it will take for Talib to get big money, stupidity, he certainly hasn't earned it and is way too unreliable to make a deal like that with him. The patriots have to hope he's willing to take considerably less and that is really doubtful. Even a four year 24 million deal with Talib is a risky one. I like what he adds to this defense and hope he helps them to a SB, I just don't think he's here long term./ Ironically if they win a SB his value will skyrocket but it will all be worth it regardless if that happens.

ATippett56

Why would Talib sign a contract that only averages $6 million/year when a second tier cornerback such as Richard Marshall signed a 3 year, $16 million contract?

Richard Marshall - Miami Dolphins - 2013 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

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You can keep going on and on about Talib being the premier CB in free agency this year and well worth 5/50 with 30 guaranteed, but no one is really buying it.

I'll agree that maybe someone will overpay for Talib, sure, but it certainly isn't going to be a long term 5 year deal with 30 million guaranteed and 10 million on average. He falls into a wide range of CB's who are mid-level talents and somehow still manage to get 6-7 million per year due to the positional overvalue itself. There are many of them.

DeAngelo Hall (a comparable CB...maybe) spoke today of how he already knows that Washington isn't going to want to pay his 7.5 million dollar salary next year, saying that he realizes that the team is going to want him to take a pay cut so that both sides will be happy for the future. He said that he realizes that he will have to do that in order to stay in Washington, and he is fine with that.

A.Talib hasn't done much of anything since he came here, yet you keep talking like he went from the outhouse to the penthouse in a few games played. I'm not sure why you keep thinking that, when there hasn't been any proof at all of that occurring.

You keep forgetting that he was suspended when he came here, he had attitude problems his entire career, and that Greg Schiano was likely going to cut him for nothing. That isn't even bringing up the gun charge case where he was facing 20+ years that was dropped in the offseason.

Your comparison to Stanford Routt is just strange due to the fact that there have been many NFL teams who have overpaid for busts that haven't worked out...yet that certainly doesn't set the market for the majority of players and their future contracts.

Also, Routt didn't have the kind of off-field concerns and attitude questions that Talib has had during his career. Regardless, Stanford Routt is just another example of a bad NFL move, and probably shouldn't be used for much comparison.

Also, Routt's contract that you cited was for a much shorter range of time than those who you've been stating (Carr, Finnegan for 5 years and 30 million guaranteed), so if anything I'm not sure why you even bring that up? There's a major difference between a 5/50 contract with 30 guaranteed, and that of a shorter term deal of 3/30 with much, much less guaranteed.

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Given the choice, I'll take Welker over Talib.

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He probably won't, and that's why he probably won't be here, but no one is going to give him 5/50 with 30 guaranteed either.

The CB market being so insanely overvalued has brought many salaries in the 7 (approx.) or so million dollar range, and that's where Talib belongs, at best.

To answer the question as to why he'd accept much less? It's quite possible that he and his agent realize that he isn't going to attract the kind of offers up over 6-8 million dollars per year, and so he'll accept one here to remain a winner, improve his stock and perception, and play with a competitor.

Or he may also draw an offer for a much lower 1-2 year deal to try and do the same, here or otherwise.

One way or another for him to draw the kind of money that you're talking about he'd have to improve both his on and off field performance, so he may take less money to have a guarantee here (or elsewhere if the deal is better), or he may try to take advantage of a small "prove it" deal where he can try and get to the kind of money you're talking about next year or in 2014.

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