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Re: If Brady expects to be "considered" the best.....
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Originally Posted by TommyBrady12
He didn't have much time left on the clock in the last 2 super bowls, a game the seahawks would know nothing about. 3-5 on the road this year...let's see how good you are away from seattle.
Wow, we're talking about Tom Brady, and you attack the Seahawks? Awesome.
As far as "didn't have much time"...let's see...
Superbowl XLII - Drive started at their own 26 with 29 seconds left. They just needed to get in FG range. Difficult, yes. Impossible, no.
Superbowl XL - Drive started at their own 20 with 57 seconds left. Need to go 80 yds and TD to win the game.
In both scenarios, it's not like the game was completely out of reach. That's all I'm saying.
Re: If Brady expects to be "considered" the best.....
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Originally Posted by New England Seahawks
Wow, we're talking about Tom Brady, and you attack the Seahawks? Awesome.
As far as "didn't have much time"...let's see...
Superbowl XLII - Drive started at their own 26 with 29 seconds left. They just needed to get in FG range. Difficult, yes. Impossible, no.
Superbowl XL - Drive started at their own 20 with 57 seconds left. Need to go 80 yds and TD to win the game.
In both scenarios, it's not like the game was completely out of reach. That's all I'm saying.
You seem not to grasp the whole "Time + timeouts v. distance" thing. After all, technically speaking, any game with an 8 point or less difference is "difficult, not impossible" with even one second on the clock and the ball 99 yards away from the end zone.
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Re: If Brady expects to be "considered" the best.....
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Originally Posted by Deus Irae
You seem not to grasp the whole "Time + timeouts v. distance" thing. After all, technically speaking, any game with an 8 point or less difference is "difficult, not impossible" with even one second on the clock and the ball 99 yards away from the end zone.
Back off, Deus. He's just upset Jim Zorn and Matt Hasslebeck were not included in the G.O.A.T. discussion.
Re: If Brady expects to be "considered" the best.....
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Originally Posted by Deus Irae
You seem not to grasp the whole "Time + timeouts v. distance" thing. After all, technically speaking, any game with an 8 point or less difference is "difficult, not impossible" with even one second on the clock and the ball 99 yards away from the end zone.
You seem to not grasp that there's a huge difference between 1 second and 57 seconds. Yes, I get that he had 0 timeouts in the 1st game, and 1 timeout in the 2nd. If you're a clutch QB, going 39 yards (assuming opponent's 35 yd line) in 29 seconds with 0 timeouts left is not a monumental feat. Neither is going 80 yards with almost a minute left and 1 timeout. With an elite QB like Brady, I like my chances.
Re: If Brady expects to be "considered" the best.....
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Originally Posted by New England Seahawks
The last two superbowls, the games ended with Brady and the offense on the field with a chance to tie or win the game.
In the SF game, Brady had a chance down 38-31 and about 2 min left to drive his team for the tie score. He didn't get past their own 12 yd line.
In the Ravens game, Brady and the offense had the ball around mid field and 2 min left to put the game away, and didn't.
IN the first giants superbowl, he led what should have been the winning TD, but Samuel dropped a game winning INT, the Brady had 35 seconds to work with. He also hit moss right on target in that 35 seconds.
2nd superbowl, you're right, its his fault once again, the D cant hold, and Welker, Branch and AH all drop passes on the last drive.
SF game, tell me any other QB that could put an entire team on his back and come back being down 31-3?
The Ravens game, the FG was no good and thats a fact.
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Re: If Brady expects to be "considered" the best.....
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Originally Posted by Sivy
IN the first giants superbowl, he led what should have been the winning TD, but Samuel dropped a game winning INT, the Brady had 35 seconds to work with. He also hit moss right on target in that 35 seconds.
Yeah, he did. If Moss catches that pass, then they're in FG range. As far as "should have been" the game winning TD, I don't think so. Giants had more than 2 minutes left to drive down the field for a TD, if I recall.
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Originally Posted by Sivy
2nd superbowl, you're right, its his fault once again, the D cant hold, and Welker, Branch and AH all drop passes on the last drive.
You can argue that the merit of any QB hinders on the receivers' ability to catch the ball. But you credit the QB for throwing for huge yards and lots of TDs. You also have to credit him with incompletions, whether it's his fault or the receivers fault. You can't have it both ways.
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Originally Posted by Sivy
SF game, tell me any other QB that could put an entire team on his back and come back being down 31-3?
Agreed. That was an awesome comeback. However, when it counted the most, they came up short.
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Originally Posted by Sivy
The Ravens game, the FG was no good and thats a fact.
And Golden Tate's simultaneous catch was an INT. What's your point, and what does that have to do with the fact that they had the ball at midfield with an opportunity to close out the game, or go up by another score?