Question to people asking why was Gronk playing late into the game....... - Page 4 - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard
NEWS
|
FORUM
|
PHOTOS
|
VIDEOS
|
FULL STATS DATABASE
|
PODCAST
|
RUMOR MILL
Get Social With PatsFans.com
Early Roster Projection
Ryan's Journey Started Early
POST DRAFT PODCAST

Go Back   New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard > PatsFans.com Forums > PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum
Forgot Password? Join PatsFans.com!
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read Chat Room

WELCOME TO OUR FORUM HERE AT PATSFANS.COM!
ARE YOU NEW HERE? NOT LOGGED IN? PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REGISTER FOR AN ACCOUNT AND LOGIN TO REMOVE THIS WINDOW

Welcome to PatsFans.com. Do you have an account? If not - please take a moment to register for our forum and experience a much smoother experience with fewer ads, along with no longer having to see this notification window. Also learn about how you can receive a free Patriots T-Shirt from the Patriots Official ProShop by CLICKING HERE. Please enjoy your stay here, and Go Pats!

Like Tree56Likes

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-19-2012, 08:24 PM   #31
In the Starting Line-up
 
Palm Beach Pats Fan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,865
My Mood: Busy
Default Re: Question to people asking why was Gronk playing late into the game.......

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fball View Post
.
I'm much more perplexed on why Brady was in at 52 points, and still dropping back to pass.
Because 3rd and 7 at the IND 25 is not a scenario where you will likely run for a first down, so you pass it to Welker (since Gronk had left the game already) then when Welker leaves the games, you run Vareen every other play for the rest of the game, with handoffs from Mallett in the last 4 minutes.

I'd rather pass for a 1st down than send the punting unit out, followed by the defense. Lower injury risk by far, and it's winning football.
__________________
It is what it is, so just go out there and do your job!

Last edited by Palm Beach Pats Fan; 11-19-2012 at 08:25 PM..
Palm Beach Pats Fan is offline  
FEATURED ADVERTISEMENT
DONATE TO PATSFANS.COM
RECEIVE A FREE PATS T-SHIRT AND SAVE 15% OFF WHEN YOU BUY FROM THE OFFICIAL PROSHOP!

Free T-Shirt & Save 15% Off!
Like Our Site? Please help support our site and server costs by DONATING TO PATSFANS.COM and receive a FREE PATRIOTS T-SHIRT and SAVE 15% off EVERY purchase you make from PatriotsProShop.com. You'll also receive added benefits to your account
including Removing All Ads During Your Experience Here At Our Forum.

NEEDED YEARLY SITE DONATIONS: 345 | CURRENT # OF SUBSCRIBED SUPPORTERS: 98

Updated 07/08/11

Help Us Reach Our Goal!

Old 11-19-2012, 08:31 PM   #32
In the Starting Line-up
 
Palm Beach Pats Fan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,865
My Mood: Busy
Default Re: Question to people asking why was Gronk playing late into the game.......

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fball View Post
Nope. Makes no sense to me.

People say "it's their job" and all that, but their job is to win games. It's strange when they're still in when that job is done.
I am not aware of any coach in the NFL who makes score-driven personnel changes in special teams units. You play the unit that practiced together all week, barring injury.

I think what we have here is a fundamental lack of understanding of how coaches use specific special teams units. This isn't college where you have 80 guys. You have 43 guys plus kicker, punter, and long-snapper to cover offense, defense, and four core special teams units. If you take out you top 10 "key players" by however means you use to decide that, then I am not sure how you can expect to run the play and (for example) not get the kicker clobbered. The best blockers play up front on the PAT conversion. That has to include Gronk, particularly in a week where the teams two starting guards were both out with injuries.

At some point Gronk gets the tap on the shoulder and gets the message to take the rest of the game off on offense (and he did, before the last scoring drive). But he knows he will be out there on the special teams unit he practiced with all week. That's just how it works, in New England, in Indianapolis, EVERYWHERE.

Dungy: You have a set group for the PAT conversion. I always had Jeff Saturday playing RG on PATs and never even considered taking him off, no matter what the score was. You sometimes sit players on offense or on defense, because they are used to subbing out. You practice those changes and adjustments. The special teams guys are different-- they work together all week as one unit and they play as one unit, whatever the score.

Bruschi: When I was playing defense and we were blowing out an opponent, you were told, "You're out of the game now, Tedy, but you're still on the field goal block team." It's just the way it is in football.
rlcarr and chicowalker like this.
__________________
It is what it is, so just go out there and do your job!

Last edited by Palm Beach Pats Fan; 11-19-2012 at 08:31 PM..
Palm Beach Pats Fan is offline  
Old 11-19-2012, 09:11 PM   #33
On the Roster
 

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 68
Default Re: Question to people asking why was Gronk playing late into the game.......

Where is the perspective on this issue?? It was an extra point for crying out loud!!!!
He had as much chance getting injured standing on the sideline! Alright maybe a slightly higher chance on a PAT but not much.
rlcarr and SteveKiner like this.
SacPete1 is offline  
Old 11-19-2012, 10:43 PM   #34
PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club
 
Deus Irae's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 35,447
Default Re: Question to people asking why was Gronk playing late into the game.......

Quote:
Originally Posted by SacPete1 View Post
Where is the perspective on this issue?? It was an extra point for crying out loud!!!!
He had as much chance getting injured standing on the sideline! Alright maybe a slightly higher chance on a PAT but not much.
SF was up 32-7 and still had starting linebackers covering punts.
rlcarr likes this.
__________________
"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."
- Marcus Aurelius
Deus Irae is offline  
Old 11-19-2012, 10:46 PM   #35
In the Starting Line-up
 
fnordcircle's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,039
My Mood: Angelic
Default Re: Question to people asking why was Gronk playing late into the game.......

Quote:
“I think you have to be careful when you are trying to run a team to go up to one guy and say, ‘Michael, we’re going to leave you in the game because we don’t really care about you, but Glenn, we’re going to take you out because you’re really important.’ I don’t think that’s really a good way to approach a team. I’ve never done that. I don’t think that would be a very successful approach to it.”
From Belichick himself.

Sorry to all of the Madden 2013 coaches who are mad about their stupid Fantasy Football team but Belichick is managing an actual NFL team - which includes managing how players feel they are being treated.
rlcarr likes this.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

fnordcircle is offline  
Old 11-19-2012, 11:03 PM   #36
PatsFans.com Supporter
 
Sweet Chin Music33's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 92
My Mood: Aggressive
Default Re: Question to people asking why was Gronk playing late into the game.......

Quote:
Originally Posted by fnordcircle View Post
From Belichick himself.

Sorry to all of the Madden 2013 coaches who are mad about their stupid Fantasy Football team but Belichick is managing an actual NFL team - which includes managing how players feel they are being treated.
Love that quote.

Are people really questioning the injury? It was a fluke. Its football.

If Gronk were to break his arm while running a walk-through in practice this week, would you question that too?

"How dare BB actually force his star players to practice!!!"

Get real.
fnordcircle likes this.
Sweet Chin Music33 is offline  
Old 11-20-2012, 06:47 AM   #37
Second Team and Threatening Starter's Job
 
FirstAndGoal's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,148
Default Re: Question to people asking why was Gronk playing late into the game.......

can tell a lot of people never played the game. There's a first and a second team defined for each special teams unit but the second team is only used to fill in a body if the guy on the first time goes down. You never put them into the game as the "second unit". You only use the second units to determine who is next man up...not enough bodies otherwise.

Second, you have 2 or 3 active tight ends in a game. You may want to run a fake and a fake might consist of a TE catching a pass or making a huge block. Since you need one for each side of a field goal/extra point, who do you want there?

Third, it was a freak accident and these guys are football players. He's going to see harder hits on any normal play. It was something that wouldn't happen again if the Patriots put him in 100 times.
fnordcircle likes this.
FirstAndGoal is online now  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Sponsored Links



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Question for people who read the daily links entry... Ian PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 18 09-29-2011 09:51 PM
Question about the late-game pass coverage Crazy Patriot Guy PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 2 10-17-2010 05:20 PM
OT (sorry) - Question for people in Foxboro area AVrabel50Fan PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 2 12-12-2007 11:40 PM
Question to people about McFadden NEfan32 Patriots Draft Talk 28 11-27-2007 02:26 PM
Question for people who attended one of the games Patters PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 4 09-27-2006 09:00 AM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:34 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2

© Copyright 2000-2012. PatsFans.com Is a Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties.
The opinions posted in this forum do not necessarily reflect the opinions of our staff at PatsFans.com or USA Today.
We are not affiliated with the New England Patriots™ or the NFL™. The Photo Used In the header was taken by Ian Logue.

This site is owned and operated by I&K Internet Design Enterprises, LLC