The OFFICIAL Patriots vs Bills PostGame Thread

[condon84]

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

No. It's safe to assume that BB thinks that area needs his personal attention. Now, it's possible that he thinks better coaching is needed, but even that doesn't mean that he thinks the current coaching is bad. It's BB's defense and he thinks he teaches it as well as pretty much anyone can, after all.

I don't know if you've realized, but the defense is getting worse. It's possible that the entire secondary personnel is just all playing horribly at the same time, but it's more probable that opposing offenses are seeing tendencies by our secondary and are exploiting it.

Isn't it fair to say that opposing offensive coaches are doing a better job of putting their players in position to succeed vs our defensive coaches and their inability to put our defensive players to do the same? If you look at the Bills offensive personnel vs our defensive personnel, I don't see the vast difference in talent that equals the Bills scoring 31 points and gaining 480 yards.

[Deus Irae]

Originally Posted by condon84

I don't know if you've realized, but the defense is getting worse.

I've been pointing this out since 2008/2009, so I'm not sure why you'd wonder if I realized it.

Originally Posted by condon84

It's possible that the entire secondary personnel is just all playing horribly at the same time, but it's more probable that opposing offenses are seeing tendencies by our secondary and are exploiting it.

Actually, the players sucking make it very easy for opposing offenses to find weaknesses, and tendencies become less important.

Originally Posted by condon84

Isn't it fair to say that opposing offensive coaches are doing a better job of putting their players in position to succeed vs our defensive coaches and their inability to put our defensive players to do the same?

No. History, even as recent as last year, has demonstrated this claim to be wrong time and again.

Originally Posted by condon84

If you look at the Bills offensive personnel vs our defensive personnel, I don't see the vast difference in talent that equals the Bills scoring 31 points and gaining 480 yards.

Remembering that McCourty was playing safety, not corner:

Name the CB who has the ability/experience combination to be anything approaching a fair match for Steve Johnson.

Name the LB/S who has the ability/experience combination to be anything approaching a fair match for Spiller.

[Boomer B]

As much as a lot of people think our LBs are amongst the best in the league the reality is that they are amongst the worst in pass coverage. When Chung comes back they should put him in at LB on passing downs and let him cover the TEs or RBs.

Passing down lineup:

Line: Ninkovich, Cunningham, Wilfork, Jones
LB: Mayo, Chung
DBs: Talib, Dennerd, Arrington, Gregory, McCourty,

press coverage on the outside and let's mix in some blitzes from Mayo/Chung/McCourty

[condon84]

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

I've been pointing this out since 2008/2009, so I'm not sure why you'd wonder if I realized it.

That's very astute of you.

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Actually, the players sucking make it very easy for opposing offenses to find weaknesses, and tendencies become less important.

The players sucking in addition to a very easy scheme to dissect makes even ****ty QBs like Fitz look good.

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

No. History, even as recent as last year, has demonstrated this claim to be wrong time and again.

Just because you say so doesn't mean it is. There have been games where our defensive coaches have been outcoached believe it or not.

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Remembering that McCourty was playing safety, not corner:

Name the CB who has the ability/experience combination to be anything approaching a fair match for Steve Johnson.

Name the LB/S who has the ability/experience combination to be anything approaching a fair match for Spiller.

We don't play man coverage exclusively so it doesn't matter if we have a guy who can exclusively cover Spiller or Johnson. And from what I saw, when we did play man coverage and brought pressure, we seemed to fair a lot better than when we played zone. From what I see, our zone coverage is more susceptible to easier completions.

As an aside, I don't know any LB who can cover Spiller exclusively. And Johnson is a handful even for the best CBs out there.

[Deus Irae]

Originally Posted by condon84

That's very astute of you.

Eh... it's not as if I was the only one who saw it.

Originally Posted by condon84

The players sucking in addition to a very easy scheme to dissect makes even ****ty QBs like Fitz look good.

When players can't handle complex plays because of inexperience or lack of talent, that's what happens. This is nothing new.

Originally Posted by condon84

Just because you say so doesn't mean it is. There have been games where our defensive coaches have been outcoached believe it or not.

It's not true because I say it is. It's true because it's true, and being outcoached in an individual game now and again is irrelevant to the discussion.

Originally Posted by condon84

We don't play man coverage exclusively so it doesn't matter if we have a guy who can exclusively cover Spiller or Johnson. And from what I saw, when we did play man coverage and brought pressure, we seemed to fair a lot better than when we played zone. From what I see, our zone coverage is more susceptible to easier completions.

Yes, they suck in man and zone right now. Is that really a suprise given what's been happening in that secondary in terms of who's been playing and why?

Originally Posted by condon84

As an aside, I don't know any LB who can cover Spiller exclusively. And Johnson is a handful even for the best CBs out there.

Tell that to the person who was denigrating the Bills offensive talent.

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Eh... it's not as if I was the only one who saw it.

I guess I wasn't being sarcastic enough.

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

When players can't handle complex plays because of inexperience or lack of talent, that's what happens. This is nothing new.

When players are not coached and put in the best position to make plays, then they look inexperienced or don't have talent. Back when we had a more competent coaching staff, some guy named Earthwind played defense for us and looked competent.

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

It's not true because I say it is. It's true because it's true, and being outcoached in an individual game now and again is irrelevant to the discussion.

I didn't realize "individual game" is another term for 3 years.

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Yes, they suck in man and zone right now. Is that really a suprise given what's been happening in that secondary in terms of who's been playing and why?

McCourty looked great his first year. Then regressed. Arrington looked pretty decent last year, now he looks like trash. Chung looked halfway decent in 2010, now he looks like poop. Why are these players regressing? Are they losing talent?

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Tell that to the person who was denigrating the Bills offensive talent.

So two players and a bottom tier QB equals 31 points and 480 yards of offense? That's the difference between our defense and their offense?