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Re: Sea Bass in line to See Cash?
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Originally Posted by borg
Do you really think Volmer's agent is likely to negotiate for RT money?
What I think is irrelevent. The Patriots are not going to play Vollmer LT money to play RT. Period.
If that is his agent's negotiating strategy the Pats will move on.
I would also assume that other NFL teams will not pay Vollmer LT $$ when he's only played the position out of need and he also has an injury history.
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Less than half of his contract will be guaranteed. Why are we worried about injuries? We'd keep him for a year or two even if he did get hurt. If he has a serious injury you cut him. Geez.
What I think is irrelevent. The Patriots are not going to play Vollmer LT money to pay RT. Period.
If that is his agent's negotiating strategy the Pats will move on.
I would also assume that other NFL teams will not pay Vollmer LT $$ when he's only played the position out of need and he also has an injury history.
A couple of points to remember going forward...
-In 2013, a salary floor gets instituted....basically teams must layout 89% of salary cap in cash each year going forward. Teams have to spend......talent be damned.
-Because the salary cap has increased significantly over the past few years and GMs have figured out how to avoid cap hell, teams have done a better job locking up talent earlier avoiding loss in Free Agency. Fewer premium FAs hit the market these days. Even when a middling FA does hit the market......Mark Anderson comes to mind......look what desperate teams are willing to spend for certain levels of talent.
-And check out some of the playoff caliber teams with O line/sack issues. Chicago and GB come to mind. There window is currently open....but for how long.
I just think Volmer sits in a very comfortable seat right now and if he can get through the rest of the year upright, the market will come to him.
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Re: Sea Bass in line to See Cash?
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Originally Posted by patsfaninpa
Less than half of his contract will be guaranteed. Why are we worried about injuries? We'd keep him for a year or two even if he did get hurt. If he has a serious injury you cut him. Geez.
He has an injury history. If he didn't it wouldn't be an issue.
Also on a team's cost to value ratio when a player is being paid big $$ and isn't performing is a killer. Now you need to pay another player to occupy the roster spot and pay him.
Cutting him and accelorating the cap hit can really hurt a team.
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Re: Sea Bass in line to See Cash?
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Originally Posted by borg
A couple of points to remember going forward...
-In 2013, a salary floor gets instituted....basically teams must layout 89% of salary cap in cash each year going forward. Teams have to spend......talent be damned.
-Because the salary cap has increased significantly over the past few years and GMs have figured out how to avoid cap hell, teams have done a better job locking up talent earlier avoiding loss in Free Agency. Fewer premium FAs hit the market these days. Even when a middling FA does hit the market......Mark Anderson comes to mind......look what desperate teams are willing to spend for certain levels of talent.
-And check out some of the playoff caliber teams with O line/sack issues. Chicago and GB come to mind. There window is currently open....but for how long.
I just think Volmer sits in a very comfortable seat right now and if he can get through the rest of the year upright, the market will come to him.
You make good points, Borg not sure using Anderson helps your argument as he played DE, registered 10 sacks and played well in the playoffs. The Bills signed him to do just that- which means not change his position. I don't think there is a precident of a team signing a player to play LT when he has played RT.
You are speculating that a team or two will pay Vollmer big money to play LT when he has barely played it for the Pats. if the Pats thought he was a LT they would play him there and not Soldor. Of course, you may be right and other teams may disagree with the Pats.
I also don't think the Pats will overpay him just so the can meet the CBA guidelines but thats my opinion which is meaningless.
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Last edited by robertweathers; 11-10-2012 at 11:08 AM..
1) His replacement is Marcus Cannon.....need I say more.
2) He's Pro Bowl good and likely seen as a LT candidate for multiple LT needy teams
3) He's a Patriot ....(A) Dante trained which has value (B) Addition by subtraction.....help the buyer/hurt the Patriots.
1) His replacement is Marcus Cannon.....need I say more.
2) He's Pro Bowl good and likely seen as a LT candidate for multiple LT needy teams
3) He's a Patriot ....(A) Dante trained which has value (B) Addition by subtraction.....help the buyer/hurt the Patriots.
Look at the contracts some of the crappy teams in the league are throwing at FAs. There's huge money out there that has to be spent either on their own players or FAs.
It wasn't too long ago that the Pats were very tight handing out large contracts. Now everyone gets one. Just shows you how much money is available throughout the league. Volmer is GETTING PAID......by who??? TBD
Very cute to talk about Cannon as if he's assuredly horrible. Dude had a bad preseason, but so did Solder. Who's to say he can't play?
On your other points, do you really think somebody is going to hand him top-10 tackle money to protect the blindside, when they haven't really seen him do much of that as a pro? Tell me three teams that are on the verge of contending that don't already have a solid vet or a promising young player at LT. I honestly don't believe the market for him is all that big.
Very cute to talk about Cannon as if he's assuredly horrible. Dude had a bad preseason, but so did Solder. Who's to say he can't play?
On your other points, do you really think somebody is going to hand him top-10 tackle money to protect the blindside, when they haven't really seen him do much of that as a pro? Tell me three teams that are on the verge of contending that don't already have a solid vet or a promising young player at LT. I honestly don't believe the market for him is all that big.
Has Cannon done anything to show that he can play?
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