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Old 10-25-2012, 02:51 PM   #1
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In the last year and a half the pass defense has played almost as poorly against the botton feeder QBs as they have against the Pro Bowlers. Seriously this makes no sense at all can someone come up something to explain this.

Garbage QBs we faced since 2011

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Different approaches would be my guess, not to mention that some of those have come against the more prevent defenses.

For many of those QB's the gameplan was likely to force them to try and drive the length of the field..unfortunately, many of them did.

For the better QB's in the league, the approach would seem to be different on some level.

This will have to change if the offense is no longer going to be able to put 30+ pts up every game though (not saying they will or will not).
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Different approaches would be my guess, not to mention that some of those have come against the more prevent defenses.

For many of those QB's the gameplan was likely to force them to try and drive the length of the field..unfortunately, many of them did.

For the better QB's in the league, the approach would seem to be different on some level.

This will have to change if the offense is no longer going to be able to put 30+ pts up every game though (not saying they will or will not).
Yup. BB generally tries to take away what teams do best. For teams with great QBs, he focuses on limiting them and apparently does a halfway decent job. For teams with lesser QBs he's more willing to let them take their shots, or is more focused on stopping other elements of the offense.
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To expand on the point made by mayoclinic, forget about yards and focus on turnovers instead.

The first group combined for 11 touchdowns and 8 turnovers, even though they were not the focus of the defense.

The second group combined for 10 touchdowns and 5 turnovers.

Turnovers are far more important than yards. I'm guessing that part of the defensive game plan against the lesser quarterbacks included the idea that sooner or later they would make critical errors.

Against the better quarterbacks there was more focus on them, and limiting what they could do. Obviously they didn't shut them down, but an average of 2TD:1INT isn't horrible considering their talent level.
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Different approaches would be my guess, not to mention that some of those have come against the more prevent defenses.

For many of those QB's the gameplan was likely to force them to try and drive the length of the field..unfortunately, many of them did.

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That pretty much sums it up. The Giants in the SB game and Steelers slowed down Brady by keeping him off the field and disrupting him just enough when he was on it, our offense never got into a rhythm either game. Both games their plans worked to perfection. This is how the Saints beat Peyton in SB44 they did not try to outgun him, rather they did a great job limiting his possessions. Most of those bad QB's got down early and had to play catchup, like you said some of it against prevent defense.

In the regular season game vs. Eli I will admit it was different though, our defense did have a solid outing in that one until the last drive and that loss I would pit on the offense for hanging them out to dry and turning the ball over several times. But the Giants WERE without Nicks and Bradshaw that game so that helped our defense alot.
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The rising floor effect. When every QB we play, does as well as a QB could possibly do, they all look the same.
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The rising floor effect. When every QB we play, does as well as a QB could possibly do, they all look the same.
Unfortunately, I think your right.
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The rising floor effect. When every QB we play, does as well as a QB could possibly do, they all look the same.
That's about as dumb as a screen door on a battleship. Now why don't you make like a tree, and get outta here?
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That's about as dumb as a screen door on a battleship. Now why don't you make like a tree, and get outta here?
lol

Wonder what your prior exchanges with that poster was about.
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The rising floor effect. When every QB we play, does as well as a QB could possibly do, they all look the same.
actually, that was my first thought too
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