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***Deus Irae*** · 10-22-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve1iron

So we constantly hear about the blueprint for stopping the Patriots. Jam the receivers and clog the middle of the field. Has anyone on the Patriots thought of this and come up with a solution. The definition of stupidity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Does anyone give thought to what the other team will do and come up with a counter to it.

They've signed Brandon Lllllllllllllloyd and moved Hernandez outside on occasion. It's a work in progress. The hope here is that it will ramp up to speed in the upcoming weeks.

***BradyFTW!*** · 10-22-2012, 03:44 PM

To date, Lloyd hasn't done what I expected he would do, which is stretch the field and command some safety help. No point in denying the obvious. He's much better than Branch, because he can beat man-to-man coverage fairly consistently, but he doesn't fundamentally change the way that defenses play the Patriots. We need a WR who does that, whether it ends up being Lloyd or someone else. Not as much as we need defensive backs who can cover, but it's a need nonetheless.

ThatllMoveTheChains!!! · 10-22-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Metaphors

You make a good point. Playing a mistake-free game consistently is overlooked. I haven't looked it up, but I doubt the Pats lose many games when their offense/STs are "clean" (all drives end in punt/points, no long returns/misses/blocks in kicking game). The Ravens game is the only game I can remember recently where the Pats lost a "clean" game (though the penalties didn't make it feel that way).

Brady had a 114 passer rating on all non-Lloyd throws. I'm not blaming that solely on Lloyd though. His routes are almost exclusively outside the numbers and/or 20+ yards downfield. Once a DB gets a feel for these routes and is able to use the sideline as an additional defender on most of them, Lloyd becomes less effective. Look for him to start mixing it up when Gronk/Hernandez get healthy and are better able to attack downfield. When Lloyd runs drag routes or skinny posts, he gets plenty of separation...so I'm not inclined to put him in the bust category just yet.

I believe last years Pit game was the only other one. There was a safety, but it was right at the end of the game, and a missed 42 yd FG. If I recall it looked like the offense was completely unprepared for what the Steelers' D brought and didn't even gain 250 yds total.

PatsFan2 · 10-22-2012, 04:21 PM

Mangini is not saying anything that my blind Grandmother doesn't know about our Patriots. I know he was going against our make shift secondary...but i sure wished we had taken a flier on Stephen Hill. He is going to wreak havok in our Secondary for years to come. Lloyd is a complimenatry WR at best he gets NO separation. Can you really go to a guy like that on 3rd downs? We should have overpayed for Vjack 216 yards yesterday i think. Brady cannot overthrow him.

PatsFan2 · 10-22-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

They've signed Brandon Lllllllllllllloyd and moved Hernandez outside on occasion. It's a work in progress. The hope here is that it will ramp up to speed in the upcoming weeks.

The Hernandez outside could work in the EZ but it's a lost cause in the middle of the field. Seriously a TE on a CB on the outsides match-up goes to CB. Herandez is not Marquis Colston outside the numbers.

Marqui · 10-22-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

To date, Lloyd hasn't done what I expected he would do, which is stretch the field and command some safety help. No point in denying the obvious. He's much better than Branch, because he can beat man-to-man coverage fairly consistently, but he doesn't fundamentally change the way that defenses play the Patriots. We need a WR who does that, whether it ends up being Lloyd or someone else. Not as much as we need defensive backs who can cover, but it's a need nonetheless.

Lloyd lead the league in big catches (25+ yards) the last 2 years before he got here. Now he never catches those passes. Starting to wonder if it's not Lloyd but just the fact that Brady and McDaniels can't/don't want to run a deep play offense.

Also keep in mind that their offense is #1 in the league, so let's not act like it's horribly flawed.

PatsFan2 · 10-22-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Marqui

Lloyd lead the league in big catches (25+ yards) the last 2 years before he got here. Now he never catches those passes. Starting to wonder if it's not Lloyd but just the fact that Brady and McDaniels can't/don't want to run a deep play offense.

Also keep in mind that their offense is #1 in the league, so let's not act like it's horribly flawed.

Don't know how that possible when he only had one great year.

Brandon Lloyd Stats - New England Patriots - ESPN

Patriot Missile · 10-22-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Marqui

Lloyd lead the league in big catches (25+ yards) the last 2 years before he got here. Now he never catches those passes. Starting to wonder if it's not Lloyd but just the fact that Brady and McDaniels can't/don't want to run a deep play offense.

Also keep in mind that their offense is #1 in the league, so let's not act like it's horribly flawed.

Brady throws the best short to intermediate ball bar none. Anything under 35 yards he is my guy. I just don't think he has the deep ball touch of an Eli Manning or even a RG3. Then again he doesn't have a Randy Moss anymore either.

I just find it funny how Kyle Orton could utilize Lloyd but Brady can't. Did Kyle throw a better deep ball? I don't see the separation from Lloyd this year either though.

bostonia3333 · 10-22-2012, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by reflexblue

I read all these Lloyd sucks posts, so typical of the fan base here. Seven games into the season the guy is a bum, hes not the answer etc. Every year its the same story, how about we give him more than those seven games for him and brady to click. He had a bad game yesterday, he dropped passes hes caught in the past. While i wasn't all that impressed with the teams play yesterday, I do realize that the Ryan brothers almost Always come up with a defense that stiffles the pats, the offensive line is a patchwork of starters in new positions and jags, its a new offense to most of the players and it takes time to get acclimated to it, both Gronk and AH are still hurt, the management can't seem to decided between Welker or Edelman, which is ridiculous....its Welker.

Well it shouldn't take a "star" WR 7 games to catch one TD with all the talent that surrounds him. That TD against Buf was in garbage time too. Plus Lloyd shouldn't be diving like that either in a blowout, thats how you end up on the IR or PUP. The chemistry between Brady and Moss in 07 was instant---the first series of that first game of the season against the Jets, Moss was torching the Jets for 17 yd-20 yd gains in the middle of the field. Brady and Moss dropped 44 on a good Jets defense. The next game against San Diego, Moss destroyed the Chargers on Sunday night. Brady is a video game qb and will get you the ball, you need to be perfect with your routes if you can't get that magical nanoinch of separation. I know Lloyd is a far cry from Moss, but he does have the benefit of playing with the best qb in the history of the game, and he has the benefit of playing around elite TEs and good RBs---that should be enough ammo to pad your stats and stay on your feet and accumulate YAC--unfortunately Lloyd has been garbage.

***Deus Irae*** · 10-22-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFan2

The Hernandez outside could work in the EZ but it's a lost cause in the middle of the field. Seriously a TE on a CB on the outsides match-up goes to CB. Herandez is not Marquis Colston outside the numbers.

It's worked in the middle of the field.