VrabelJr

The Jets are another team capable of winning solely with big plays. We must make sure guys like Stephen Hill don't hurt us big, you know they'll be looking to throw to him.

PatriotSeven

Yes which just keeps re-iterating the eternal question...why. can't. we?

If the Jets offense are capable of this with Sanchez, Kerley, Hill, a terrible O line, a terrible run game in no way capable of providing play action, and no time to throw the ball...why are we not able to anymore with Tom Brady as the quarterback and all the time he has?

Why do we need to run 85 plays on offense averaging less points than we were last year? Can we at least all agree we have gone in a very extreme direction offensively that puts way too much pressure on Brady to be perfect every single game?

As your HOF quarterback gets older, you should be able to do more with less. Less plays, get more out of them.

Brady_to_Moss

Because we can't play our own D

PatriotSeven

We can't do it against other bad D's either.

We simply have become expert micro managers of moving the offense and the chains 7 yards at a time and still have no down field threat or not interested in finding out. Honestly when crunch time comes, it's not much different than facing a one dimensional run team. Ball is either going to Wes or one of the tight ends, and none of them will be down field. Teams don't have to worry about it.

No doubt in my mind Brady is fully capable of throwing bombs down field to wide open receivers who burn their man....problem is we don't have a receiver that can burn their man on a consistent basis every week and haven't had one since Moss.

Brady_to_Moss

Their O isn't designed for big plays. What's wrong with moving the ball 7 yards at a time? They still score 30+ a game and have the #1 O in the NFL..

PatriotSeven

I know and that's the problem. To answer your question....

Because of how much more difficult it is to put up those points.
Because of the number of plays it requires to run.
Because of how perfect it requires Brady to be.
Because of the 4th quarter in the Super Bowl last year and against Seattle.

When you need the big play, it's not there.

Us and Green Bay. We are the only 2 teams who are doing this right now. I just don't think it's sustainable when you face a team like the Giants with 2-3 legit deep threats. Both teams quarterbacks have to be perfect over a much larger number of plays than our opponents.

Don't like it.

Brady_to_Moss

The pats never really had a deep threat in their SB years. They had Givens and Branch. in 07 they had moss...even when they had the deep threat..they didn't win the big one..

PatriotSeven

Completely different teams. They were more capable at running the ball, and our D was always one of the top defenses in the league.

If we had the defense of the 2000-2005 teams I would have no issues with this offense. The league was also not dominated by the type of offenses we see today.

supafly

First off, let me say that I agree with you on some level about the lack of a significant enough vertical threat. Many (including myself) felt that we likely had that guy with the signing of Llyod, but Llyod is here to stretch the field horizontally, not vertically.

Having a successful vertical threat would put a lot more pressure on the opposing defenses to account for him, and would help to give us more options while continually opening up the underneath/mediocre routes too.

As far as the lack of running game however, I disagree with you here. We just had back to back 250+ rushing games heading into SEA's game. Since teams like SEA are not going to allow us to run, we are forcing to pass. The same will likely happen vs STL in 2 weeks from now. We will have to rely on the passing game to beat them. In all reality we very well should have beaten the Seahawks too, and were somewhat successful in many aspects of the passing game. The biggest mistake (besides not running the ball when Brady threw the pick at the 5 yd line) was the 10 sec runoff for intentional grounding at the end of the half.

That said, we should still have a much better running game this year vs most teams that we play, with the exception of ARZ, STL, SEA, HOU, and SF.

That should enable us to take much more pressure off of Brady, as you wish to do.

Nonetheless, I still am clamoring for a better WR downfield option too. It would give us that last step to get over the hump, and make this offense absolutely unstoppable.

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Brady_to_Moss

To me..if we had 2 capable CBs that would put us over the hump. A deep WR would help...but lets spend $$ on the D first becasue the O is not the main issue. No need to waste the $$ on a WR when we are still reaching the SB without a deep threat (last year)