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Old 09-28-2012, 04:59 PM   #1
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The Myth of Joe Flacco

Interesting article from Bill Barnwell. He looks at the average win percentage based on what a team's defense allows, and compares it to how many games they actually won with each QB.

The point is that Flacco and Sanchez get credit for winning a lot of games early in their careers, but when compared with this metric, it has more to do with their defenses not allowing a lot of points. By comparison, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning won more games than expected based on their defenses, an average of 3 wins extra per season.
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The Myth of Joe Flacco

Interesting article from Bill Barnwell. He looks at the average win percentage based on what a team's defense allows, and compares it to how many games they actually won with each QB.

The point is that Flacco and Sanchez get credit for winning a lot of games early in their careers, but when compared with this metric, it has more to do with their defenses not allowing a lot of points. By comparison, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning won more games than expected based on their defenses, an average of 3 wins extra per season.
This is what i have been saying for 2 years now.........Flacco is not elite...if he was on the current colts team he would be the waterboy
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This is what i have been saying for 2 years now.........Flacco is not elite...if he was on the current colts team he would be the waterboy
He may not be elite but he looked eli-ish marching down on this D in the final minutes. Now i concede that that is not very hard to do but a certain QB has built a legacy out of it so nobody really gives a **** and that is not what people remember at the end of the day

And Brady had plenty of help.
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He may not be elite but he looked eli-ish marching down on this D in the final minutes. Now i concede that that is not very hard to do but a certain QB has built a legacy out of it so nobody really gives a **** and that is not what people remember at the end of the day

And Brady had plenty of help.
Marching down the field? Do you remember the penalty on 3rd and long at the end of the 4th Q which was a complete BS call by the refs.......if they had called it correctly it would have been 4th and 14 Baltimore and we would have won the game........
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I'd like to see the Eli Manning number
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He may not be elite but he looked eli-ish marching down on this D in the final minutes. Now i concede that that is not very hard to do but a certain QB has built a legacy out of it so nobody really gives a **** and that is not what people remember at the end of the day

And Brady had plenty of help.
I don't think Flacco is in the same class as Eli, much less Brady. Flacco was gifted with penalties on ALL of Baltimore's scoring drives last week.
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Color me pink for not being surprised. The eye test confirms most of the assertions the piece makes.
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Flacco and Eli aren't in Brady's league period.

I know that all QB's get their share of breaks, but in Brady's SB's I've never seen him throw many, if not any balls that should have been fatal INT's as Eli did in SB42 and last year's NFCC (at least 2 passes floated up into double coverage and somehow one 9er DB would bat the ball away from the other who clearly would have picked it off). Eli's a great QB probably just outside the elite list and has made his share of clutch plays, but I'd say he's considerably more lucky than most QB's who have won multiple rings.

Flacco's just not even in the conversation as far as I'm concerned. Put together a season near as good as Brady's top 3 or win a ring first.
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Flacco and Eli aren't in Brady's league period.

I know that all QB's get their share of breaks, but in Brady's SB's I've never seen him throw many, if not any balls that should have been fatal INT's as Eli did in SB42 and last year's NFCC (at least 2 passes floated up into double coverage and somehow one 9er DB would bat the ball away from the other who clearly would have picked it off). Eli's a great QB probably just outside the elite list and has made his share of clutch plays, but I'd say he's considerably more lucky than most QB's who have won multiple rings.

Flacco's just not even in the conversation as far as I'm concerned. Put together a season near as good as Brady's top 3 or win a ring first.
I see your point PATSY but I think it's unfair not to put Elite on the elite precipice. If he's not considered elite, he's most definitely knocking on the door.
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I see your point PATSY but I think it's unfair not to put Elite on the elite precipice. If he's not considered elite, he's most definitely knocking on the door.
Yeah I have him right outside the elite tier (Brady, Rodgers, Brees) with Rapistberger
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