BrickPat

The Lloyd McDaniels connection is valid to a point. While TE and WR are obviously different positions it speaks volumes that rookies Gronk and Hernandez could grasp the same "foreign" playbook in year one while a "seasoned pro" like Ocho remained utterly clueless all season.

Gumby

seems like you are coming round to my point of view- LAZY EXECUTION.

My complaint was that you used the words "broke toward open space and the endzone" and now later in post responding to unoriginal " catch the ball in stride and run for the goal line".

but according to wiggin's drawing the 'open space' was NOT in the direction of the goal line but rather toward the mid-field area. And wiggins never said anything about Ocho looking or cheating to the EZ.

So you saying '[I am] only going by what was said and drawn in the video' is true of this last post; but not your first post nor the response to unoriginal. your first post put a small spin on wiggins' intent. (at least the way I heard what wiggins said).

all good. I think we agree close enough - was just a small quibble.

Patsfanin Philly

It was essentially his processing speed. As a NE WR you have to identify the defense, and know what route you're supposed to run when Brady calls it at the LOS. Ocho couldn't do it fast enough, case closed.

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KontradictioN

Has it been said that Lloyd has played under McDaniels yet? Few reasons from what I can see...

1. Couldn't understand the different option routes based on getting a good read on what the defense was giving the offense, thus couldn't be trusted to be where Brady needed him to be, when Brady needed him to be there.

2. Didn't run precise routes in the instances when he did understand where Brady needed him to be and when he needed to be there.

But these have all been stated. Simply put, Johnson just wasn't a good fit here. We've seen it time and time again. We saw it in guys like Chad Jackson, Brandon Tate, etc. Guys who were supremely gifted athletically but couldn't diagnose a defense to be in the right spot at the right time. We also saw guys who were athletically gifted and "got it" (Moss) and guys who maybe lost a step but their knowledge of the system made it so that they were still extremely productive (Branch). That's why it would be a shame to see Welker walk. He's still in the prime of his career and is extremely valuable to the team and it's quarterback. Wide receivers with his traits and understanding of the offense don't grow on trees.

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WhiZa

I understand the whole McDaniels thing, but what about Welker and Moss who came in here cold turkey and had record setting years?

To me it comes down to priorities. He got complacent in Cinncinati and focused more on his off field ventures rather than bettering himself on the football field. At his age he just couldn't get by with raw athletic ability any more. When he came to the Pats he was just didn't have the motivation or the ability to learn the playbook. Studying is a skill and if you stop using it then you can't just pick it up years later.

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KontradictioN

Lloyd had a pretty good year in his first season under McDaniels, too, as I recall. It just comes down to "getting it" when it comes to this offense. Johnson didn't get it, Lloyd does. On top of that, he's spent years in it now and is seasoned. As far as the studying part, as someone who got a college degree, hated his career field and went back, I disagree that you can't just pick it up again years later after not using it.

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Snake Eyes

Some people can quickly interpret and process incoming information and quickly make a good decision based on that information, others can't. TFB is no physical speciman but his mental abilities are fantastic, many QBs who were vastly more physically talented failed because they didnt have diagnostic abilities even a fraction of his, it's no different with receivers. Ocho simply doesnt have the diagnostic ability needed to function in the NE system.

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The guy had trouble lining up in the correct position at the LOS....for heaven's sake. He either didn't take his job seriously enough to know the play book....or he had mental limitations. Maybe he couldn't find the needed time to learn the system because he was to busy setting up rendez-vous' with his Twitter dates.

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PATRIOTSFANINPA

Duane Starks didn't get the money Chad got

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TheBeers

This.. Even in his short stint in Miami he couldn't line up in the right spot. His team mates joked about how clueless he was on Hard Knocks.