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Gumby · 09-10-2012, 06:32 AM

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Actually not exactly insomnia, but waking up really really early.

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7. Ridley's running reminds me a lot of Matt Forte....and that's a good thing. I think what impressed me most about his 125ypc and almost 6ypc, was that his longest run was just 17yds. I'd be willing to bet that his yards after contact number would be excellent as well. He showed a lot of promise last season, and he's not disappointing so far in this one. The ke word here is "so far". Before we get too flowery in our praise, I have you remember what Parcells said after Curtis Martin's first big day rushing the ball.

Geez PFK, are you trying to make me settle for the performance standard of a HOFer (CM). lets just hope he doesnt get FA offers.

8. My favorite pass play was the back shoulder throw to Lloyd. He had a couple more impressive for ESPN, but none more important as far as its impact to the rest of the season. If the Brady and Lloyd can throw that one consistently, it will set up a lot of rest of the deep moves that will make Lloyd the kind of deep threat we haven't had here since Moss' heyday.
your favorite and about 3/4 of the board's

Also, even though it didn't work out, that miss that Brady and Lloyd had in the first quarter bodes well for the future. It looked to me to be a pure ad lib by both based on a blown coverage. Lloyd read the coverage and adjusted his route and Brady saw it as well. The execution was flawed, but we can take some comfort in that they both were on the all important "same page" so early in the season.
I didn't take it as ad lib; but rather it was that they were on same page for route-tree decision; but weren't in synch yet (execution wise); Lloyd is used to piss-poor QBs who cant read the coverage good enough or heave the ball far enough; so he slowed up and got surprised by the throw.

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I think this offense is striving to be, not one with a few players with great FF numbers, but a team that will put up 30+ points and control the TOP, the tempo of the game and can FINISH.

oh, TOP. Up until that final sit on the ball drive running it down their throats (when Titans officially gave up) I think the Titans were still winning the TOP battle. Certainly Titans won TOP in 1st half. So I am not so excited about the TOP as you are.

But if you are scoring on pick-6s/fumble-6s then it really does tend to skew the TOP analysis horribly. So; it balances out somewhat, but I would still rather see their DL getting tired being pounded by OUR agressive OL than the other way around.

Mack Herron · 09-10-2012, 06:40 AM

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NFL RULE BOOK @ nfl.com
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INTERFERENCE

Article 1�� During a scrimmage kick that crosses the line of scrimmage, or during a free kick, members of the kicking team are prohibited from interfering with any receiver making an attempt to catch the airborne
kick, or from obstructing or hindering his path to the airborne kick, and regardless of whether any signal was given.

Item 1: Contact with Receiver.
��It is interference if a player of the kicking team contacts the receiver, or
causes a passive player of either team to contact the receiver, before or simultaneous to his touching the ball.

Item 2: Right of Way.
��A receiver who is moving toward a kicked ball that is in flight has the right of way. If opponents obstruct his path to the ball, or cause a passive player of either team to obstruct his path, it is interference, even if there is no contact, or if he catches the ball in spite of the interference, and regardless of whether any signal was given.

Penalties:
(a) For interference with the opportunity to make a catch when a prior signal has not been made: Loss of 15 yards from the spot of the foul, and the offended team is entitled to put the ball in play by a snap from scrimmage. See 4-8-2-g.

(b) For interfering with a fair catch after a signal: Loss of 15 yards from the spot of the foul. A fair catch is awarded even if the ball is not caught. See Section 2, Article 4.

So just to be clear, did everyone (including the refs as well as BB) miss this call?

Patsfanin Philly · 09-10-2012, 07:01 AM

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NFL RULE BOOK @ nfl.com

I thought that too and then went to the NFL game book where it looks like they marked off the 15 yards since the penalty happened at the 18 yard line and the Pats first play was at the 33.......

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(7:27) (Punt formation) B.Kern punts 44 yards to NE 18, Center-B.Brinkley. J.Edelman MUFFS catch, recovered by NE-R.Dowling at NE 19.
R.Dowling to NE 19 for no gain (C.Sensabaugh).
4-1-TEN 38
PENALTY on TEN-T.Campbell, Interference with Opportunity to Catch, 15 yards, enforced at NE 18.
New England Patriots at 7:17
1-10-NE 33 (7:17) S.Ridley left end to NE 48 for 15 yards (D.Morgan).

***patchick*** · 09-10-2012, 07:20 AM

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3. Jones and Hightower will get the headlines, but Wilson was the guy who impressed me the most. Maybe because I wasn't expecting an impact by him so early. And it wasn't because of his pick, but because of his tackling and the fact he was around the ball so much. So far, at least 3 for 3 on our top picks.

Three rookies playing "starter" snaps -- at least 40 of 65 -- in game 1, and looking good doing it. Impressive stuff.

(I'm looking forward to the day when fans start marveling over how BB was lucky enough to steal an obvious stud like Tavon Wilson in the middle of round 2.

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...out of respect to Locker's rushing ability, the Pats controlled their rush.

8. Interesting to note that while the Pats might have run a few games with the DL, I can't remember a single blitz.

This is a great point, and important to take into account in considering the secondary's performance. There were a bunch of snaps when the DBs had a LOT of covering to do, largely because of the game plan IMO. Most of the Titans' big completions came on plays where I said "uh-oh" aloud before Locker even started his throw.

***patchick*** · 09-10-2012, 07:24 AM

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I thought that too and then went to the NFL game book where it looks like they marked off the 15 yards since the penalty happened at the 18 yard line and the Pats first play was at the 33.......

Maybe the confusion has to do with the fumble taking the play upfield, so that the post-penalty spot (based on the point of foul) just happened to be the same as where the ball was recovered?

***Rob0729*** · 09-10-2012, 07:30 AM

Good job as always Ken. A few comments:

Yes, the refs blew it with calling interfering with the returner call. If it was a spot foul, every special team coach would be coaching interfering with the returner on every punt. At worst, you guarantee no gain. At best, you get away with it and cause a fumble and a turnover.
According to Clark Judge, the Pats were credited with 8 pressures and got two sacks. I can't remember many or any blitzes off the top of my head. That means the Pats are generating a pretty good pass rush with a four man rush.
One thing that is underreported (I heard someone mention it on the radio) is that with this LB corp, it appears they can now successfully defend the run out of the nickel. This will be huge on stopping delayed draw plays.
I think Chandler Jones' slowing down may have been due to injury. Looks like he pulled his groin (or could have been kicked there). He missed the next two plays (two of the seven defensive plays he didn't play) and seemed a bit slower immediately after he returned. But he did play 58 plays and was double teamed for a majority of them. Might have gotten tired out.
On that note, it is amazing in his first game in his career and the Titans are already game planning to stop him. Looks like the Titans came into the game with the purpose to double team Jones on passing plays. That is quite a bit of success for a guy who hadn't played a down in the NFL before yesterday.

ivanvamp · 09-10-2012, 07:31 AM

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Three rookies playing "starter" snaps -- at least 40 of 65 -- in game 1, and looking good doing it. Impressive stuff.

(I'm looking forward to the day when fans start marveling over how BB was lucky enough to steal an obvious stud like Tavon Wilson in the middle of round 2.

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I admit to not being a fan of the Tavon Wilson pick in the 2nd round and said so at the time. I have been impressed with him so far (though I'm not exactly ready to get his bust ready for Canton).

What amazes me is that really pretty much nobody except for Belichick thought this guy was anything. He wasn't a great player at all in the Big 10. Good player, honorable mention all Big 10, fine. Not a bad player. Pretty good. But not second round material. Nobody thought that.

I know, nobody thought Tom Brady was better than a 6th rounder either. I'm just amazed at how guys who are just ok or pretty good in college can suddenly emerge as being fabulous in the pros (again, the jury is still out on Tavon..just saying).

Bella*chick · 09-10-2012, 07:32 AM

I agree about Welker. Brady has lots of options and besides, Wes himself said he would have liked to play more in the preseason. I didn't expect him to be at midseason form but it would have been nice!

PATSYLICIOUS · 09-10-2012, 07:45 AM

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10. Brady was sharp, solid, spread the ball around, involved the RBs, moved well in the pocket, and will look tougher now with that broken nose. Best of all he had "only" around 236 yds passing and "only" 2 TD's.

That description and statline reminds me alot of one you'd have seen in 2004. I'd much much rather see us win a game by over 20 points with 236 yards passing than with 500. Hopefully the run game can continue to take the load off of Brady's shoulders which have been carrying alot of weight since 2007.

IllegalContact · 09-10-2012, 08:05 AM

I agree about Jones getting gassed....I thought I'd see more of trevor scott.....not just for the day but the season......need to try to keep the rookies from hitting a wall later in the season.

I want to add something about ninko.....another week or 2 of what we saw yesterday, and cunningham should take that spot as a starter. not leaning on ninko too hard on this, but I think he is a better asset as a sub since he can play a wider array of positions.

I thought the OL played well. I think Solder will still have some hiccups in pass pro, but he is a beast at LT in the running game.....the OL wore down the titans DL.