Tom Brady was among league's worst in 'bad passes' last season - New England Patriots Forums

PatsWSB47 · 07-31-2012, 08:09 AM

I was kind of surprised about this.

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It turns out that Brady makes a high percentage of bad passes.
I had trouble digesting it myself, so I suspect that many of you will as well. But it’s true. Brady completely missed his mark – short, long or wide – on more than 17 percent of his passes last season, according to numbers compiled by Stats, Inc.

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***Jackson 2*** · 07-31-2012, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsWSB47

I was kind of surprised about this.

Considering his # of TD passes, total yards and QBR, I'd say his percentage of good ones was a lot higher.

Uncle Rico · 07-31-2012, 08:15 AM

Unacceptable. Wonder if the Browns will cough up fourth-ranked Colt McCoy for him. ...

***MoLewisrocks*** · 07-31-2012, 08:21 AM

I'm calling BS first... Brady's bread and butter is accuracy and good decision making. Knowing how this offense is predicated on post snap reads and precision route running and timing, 90% of what whomever compiled those stats thinks they saw was on the receiver. Otherwise Bill wouldn't be paying him $18M per - he'd be trading his ass. Brady regularly puts the ball where it has to be and it's on the receiver to be there or close enough to make a play (which when it works may look like a great play on his part when in fact it was one he had to make of necessity - see Brady's critique of one of Lloyd's early diving camp catches where he needed to flatten his route so a circus catch wasn't required...).

***KontradictioN*** · 07-31-2012, 08:26 AM

Of course, I'm no medical expert. But I think a lot of those throws (he did have some stinkers) were due to the elbow issues that would seemingly bother the Franchise the most early on in games and ultimately led to quite a few slow starts for this offense throughout the 2011 season.

***KontradictioN*** · 07-31-2012, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

I'm calling BS first... Brady's bread and butter is accuracy and good decision making. Knowing how this offense is predicated on post snap reads and precision route running and timing, 90% of what whomever compiled those stats thinks they saw was on the receiver. Otherwise Bill wouldn't be paying him $18M per - he'd be trading his ass. Brady regularly puts the ball where it has to be and it's on the receiver to be there or close enough to make a play (which when it works may look like a great play on his part when in fact it was one he had to make of necessity - see Brady's critique of one of Lloyd's early diving camp catches where he needed to flatten his route so a circus catch wasn't required...).

I think it's overblown, but I don't think it's BS. Brady had a lot of throws sail on him particularly early on in games. Most of it probably had to do with the elbow issues he was going through. Of course, some of it probably included good defenses flooding the middle of the field against our offense because they had no deep or intermediate threat to respect outside of Branch, who was injured himself. If you want odds-on proof of this, see the regular season game against the Giants.

TyronePoole · 07-31-2012, 08:28 AM

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I had trouble digesting it myself, so I suspect that many of you will as well. But it’s true. Brady completely missed his mark – short, long or wide – on more than 17 percent of his passes last season, according to numbers compiled by Stats, Inc.
Here’s a breakdown of how it all played out:
Overthrown passes: 36 of 611
Underthrown passes: 26
Wide passes: 45
Total bad passes: 107, or 17.5 percent
(It's worth noting here that Brady completed 65.6 percent of his passes for 5,235 yards and 39 touchdowns. Keep that in perspective while reading.)

No mention of methodology or how to reconcile that with his overall numbers. I'm going to pass (pun intended) on taking this seriously.

***Rob0729*** · 07-31-2012, 08:29 AM

A lot of those passes weren't his fault. How many of those passes were to Ochocinco where Ocho should have been where Brady threw it to and wasn't?That skews the data a bit. Anyone know how many times Ocho was targeted last year? I bet 90% of the targets that weren't completions are considered towards Stats, Inc.'s bad pass total and most, if not all were not Brady's fault.

Sicilian · 07-31-2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

I'm calling BS first... Brady's bread and butter is accuracy and good decision making. Knowing how this offense is predicated on post snap reads and precision route running and timing, 90% of what whomever compiled those stats thinks they saw was on the receiver. Otherwise Bill wouldn't be paying him $18M per - he'd be trading his ass. Brady regularly puts the ball where it has to be and it's on the receiver to be there or close enough to make a play (which when it works may look like a great play on his part when in fact it was one he had to make of necessity - see Brady's critique of one of Lloyd's early diving camp catches where he needed to flatten his route so a circus catch wasn't required...).

Bingo. Even if you don't assume that it's usually the receiver's mistake, the idea of a "bad throw" is so subjective and based on factors within the play that we're not privy to.

Also, if Brady is throwing to someone on the sideline who's mostly covered, and the ball sails wide so the WR can't keep his feet in, are they calling that a "bad throw"? Because that's a situation where a "good throw" probably gets broken up or picked, so you put the ball where your guy is the only one with a chance to catch it (even if the chance is lower than you'd like).

Same thing on goal line throws. In his recent interview, Brady talked about the philosophy that, when throwing to the end zone, you throw it low near the goal line and high near the back end line. Same idea, you want the ball in a safe location where only your guy has a chance at making the catch.

PatsSox363804 · 07-31-2012, 08:31 AM

Not terribly surprising given the lack of a deep threat last year and there was that stretch in the middle of the season where it looked like he was really off coinciding with the elbow injury. Think that will improve this season, barring injury, with Lloyd in the fold and if they really do show more commitment to the screen game.