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Re: So the TC base defense is again starting out 4-3
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Originally Posted by supafly
I am somewhat hesitant to believe that Jones will be starting in the base defense, at least at first
Roger that. I would guess that he projects to get worked in slowly. We're getting ahead of ourselves with glee maybe.
In a way we have so much depth that I don't care who starts. Really and truly. Jones and Hightower and Bequette are all going to see serious action no matter who starts where.
It's going to be fun to see how they line up though, and who takes over and shows something first.
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Re: So the TC base defense is again starting out 4-3
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Originally Posted by supafly
I am somewhat hesitant to believe that Jones will be starting in the base defense, at least at first (unless you're referring to subs, the whole Ninkovich deal kind of throws me off).
Like many other rookies, he will likely be blended in as the season progresses and he is able to learn more assignments and responsibilities.
There will likely be many different combinations of the front 4, including Deaderick (outside), Fanane (maybe both inside/outside), and Pryor in subs(inside). That doesn't even take into acct possible guys like Brace/Warren in the run heavy packages.
Lots of options = always a good sign
I'm not sure I'd want Jones or Bequette as starters just yet. Of the "Pass Rushers" Hightower looked the most NFL ready coming out of college. I'd be happy for the Patriots to inject Jones and/or Bequette in an Aldon Smith type of scenario allowing them to wet their feet in the NFL at first.
Re: So the TC base defense is again starting out 4-3
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Originally Posted by ausbacker
I'm not sure I'd want Jones or Bequette as starters just yet. Of the "Pass Rushers" Hightower looked the most NFL ready coming out of college. I'd be happy for the Patriots to inject Jones and/or Bequette in an Aldon Smith type of scenario allowing them to wet their feet in the NFL at first.
Agree. Everything about Jones says "project." Perhaps he's making contributions later in the season, but the coaching he got in college combined his relative under-development physically indicates he's got a way to go before being trusted with significant responsibilities in a Pats' defense. And right now there is too much depth on the front seven to push for rushing him (knock on wood).
Re: So the TC base defense is again starting out 4-3
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Re: So the TC base defense is again starting out 4-3
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Originally Posted by patsinthesnow
If Ninkovich can play 4-3 DE effectively, which I'm skeptical as Andy suggests at 260 pounds, this would be one talented front seven:
Ninkovich-Wilfork-Deaderick-Jones
Hightower-Spikes-Mayo
That DL would get eaten alive by the run. Move Deaderick to LDE and put Love at DT, as a base and bring Fanene in at DT and any number of pass rushers at DE in the sub.
Re: So the TC base defense is again starting out 4-3
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Originally Posted by betterthanthealternative
Agree. Everything about Jones says "project." Perhaps he's making contributions later in the season, but the coaching he got in college combined his relative under-development physically indicates he's got a way to go before being trusted with significant responsibilities in a Pats' defense. And right now there is too much depth on the front seven to push for rushing him (knock on wood).
Why would you think he received poor coaching in college? A weak college team does not mean the position coaching is necessarily bad. Many of the top players in the NFL came from losing college squads.
Also not sure why you think he is physically underdeveloped.
Finally, I have no real clue what you consider too much depth at a pass rushing DE position. We lost the top 2 pass rushers from last years team, and have added Jones, a 3rd round pick, and a guy who has 1.5 sacks in the last 2 years, and not a single one last season.
I don't see 1, much less 2 players who are blocking Jones from playing DE in sub packages, at least, which is essentially a starter.
Where are all these fabulous pass rusher you think we have?
Re: So the TC base defense is again starting out 4-3
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Originally Posted by BananaRepublican
What about
Ninkovich-Wilfork-Love-Jones?
And Fanene will fit in for plenty of reps.
Fanene will take turns spelling Wilfork in subpackages as an interior rusher. Jones, Scott, Ninkovich, and Bequette will most likely be alternating in and out throughout the season at DE in the 4-3 and OLB in the 3-4 (I suspect we'll be running a hybrid throughout the season).
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Re: So the TC base defense is again starting out 4-3
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Originally Posted by ausbacker
I'm not sure I'd want Jones or Bequette as starters just yet. Of the "Pass Rushers" Hightower looked the most NFL ready coming out of college. I'd be happy for the Patriots to inject Jones and/or Bequette in an Aldon Smith type of scenario allowing them to wet their feet in the NFL at first.
I think a lot depends on the defense we put together as a base.
I think there is no chance we play a 260 LDE in a base 43, so really, all of the 43 DE/34 OLB guys are fighting over 1 spot. I would be thrilled if Jones earns it, and not disappointed if he does not.
If we are playing a 34, I expect that Hightower is going to end up at OLB, and the others will be fighting Nink for playing time with pass rush skills being the priority (I think Hightower becomes the all around OLB across from the full time rusher).
I agree with your last comment that sub package pass rusher is the most critical role for Jones, and possilby Bequette. (I think this board is severely overrating Bequette at this stage) Frankly, the sub DE is as if not more important than the base DE or OLB, so I think if jones earns that role and plays well, it would be a very successful rookie year for a #1 pick.
Re: So the TC base defense is again starting out 4-3
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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson
That DL would get eaten alive by the run. Move Deaderick to LDE and put Love at DT, as a base and bring Fanene in at DT and any number of pass rushers at DE in the sub.
I'm not sure it would. You got one stud in the middle (Wilfork) and another good big body in Deaderick, with Spikes/Mayo/Hightower behind them, all great run defenders. Ninko sets the edge well despite his size.
Wasn't the base defense vs. the Ravens last year Deaderick-Love-Wilfork-Anderson? Anderson is a way bigger liability vs. the run and we still destroyed Rice.
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Originally Posted by BananaRepublican
What about
Ninkovich-Wilfork-Love-Jones?
And Fanene will fit in for plenty of reps.
I like Deaderick better as a player, but Love could work. Good point about Fanene. I agree with others that it's a longshot that Jones would start, but name a better passrusher than him when you already have Ninkovich on the field? Jones pure talent alone is better than putting Scott/Cunningham/Bequette on the field.
Ideally you would want Carter out there instead of Jones.
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