robertweathers

You are twisting my words, Deus. I said teams contain WW in the playoffs- not shut down. Moss gets shut down.

It's a statistical fact that WWs #s go down in the playoffs as he is facing better defenses.

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Deus Irae

Context of the discussion: Contains = shut down. Furthermore, your numbers are absolutely meaningless without about 1000% more information behind them, and were a blatant attempt to move the goalposts.


Point refuted. Wait no longer.

Edit: I don't even disagree with your general take. Good defenses will impact a good offense, particularly if they can cut down the number of ways that offense can hurt them. It's when you go to the specifics of Welker (particularly when you went just to the YPC) that your point goes off the rails.

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robertweathers

Thats fine but my intent was to NEVER say WW was shut down. Andy said defenses try to stop him and don't and I said that defenses have been successful in containing him. Thats the context.

Yea his YAC and 1st downs per game go down in the playoffs. I just didn't feel like doing the math and publishing it. YAC goes down like a yd and a 1/2 yds and # of 1st downs per game goes down by a little more than a whole 1st down.

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Boomer B

Come on, low YPC lead to punting and field goals? That is pure B.S.

Welker was 1st in catches, 2nd in yards, 3rd in TD's, 1st in 1st downs. Since he's been here the Pats have been a top 3 offense, not a team that's leading the league in punts.

Joker

heh..well now Boom...low testosterone leads to less scoring and making the "end zone"...perhaps the Pats should make Welker take Viagra??

Frezo

I hope not. It's just something else to tackle him by.

Joker

Hasn't Goodell made up a rule about that yet??..as of the 2012 season , scrote collaring will no longer be allowed...

Frezo

Oh that's right. The penalty is loss of a late round prick.

Deus Irae

The context in the thread was him getting shut down. We seem to be at a bit of loggerhead here over that, and it's not really key, so let's just call it a misunderstanding and leave it at that.

His catch numbers are fine though, so just pointing out the YAC and firsts without other data doesn't prove your point. Whether he's actually being contained or the issue is Brady having to go to him on more checkdown type routes because other reads are getting shut down is not answered by the data.

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Joker

Toe tickling under the pile WILL continue to be allowed however...at all Jet home games...