Do you wish the Patriots challenged Goodell (like the Saints are doing)? - New England Patriots Forums

Armchair Quarterback · 06-29-2012, 10:11 PM

Should they have challenged this megalomaniac? Called into question his evidence (the destroying of) and motives? They let a fool define their dynasty, their glory years as being earned through "cheating".

The Saints are doing a fairly good job of exposing Goodell's true colors.

***Joker*** · 06-29-2012, 10:27 PM

heh...I'll say YES....

***rlcarr*** · 06-29-2012, 10:29 PM

No, I don't. I would have made any difference and if anything would have made NE look worse. And how could you "call into question" the evidence? NE was unquestionably doing the taping. As for questioning Goodell's motives, I doubt it's wise for a club to start a long-running feud with its league's commissioner.

As for the Saints, it's the Saints players that are doing the challenging. What have Saints ownership, management, and coaches challenged?

***Joker*** · 06-29-2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rlcarr

No, I don't. I would have made any difference and if anything would have made NE look worse. And how could you "call into question" the evidence? NE was unquestionably doing the taping. As for questioning Goodell's motives, I doubt it's wise for a club to start a long-running feud with its league's commissioner.

Jets videotaped Patriots last season in Foxborough - NFL - ESPN

right...wouldn't have made a difference...Pats bad...every one else innocent...tra la la

***ausbacker*** · 06-29-2012, 10:47 PM

No, I don't.

Armchair Quarterback · 06-29-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rlcarr

No, I don't. I would have made any difference and if anything would have made NE look worse. And how could you "call into question" the evidence? NE was unquestionably doing the taping. As for questioning Goodell's motives, I doubt it's wise for a club to start a long-running feud with its league's commissioner.

As for the Saints, it's the Saints players that are doing the challenging. What have Saints ownership, management, and coaches challenged?

Problem is the tapes got destroyed so we'll never know what was on it good or bad. Were other teams taping? And did the Pats catch them on tape? Who the hell knows. Fact is the Patriots couldn't have looked worse no matter what was on the tapes and the did nothing to dispute, challenge or confront Goodell. They bent over and politely took everything Goodell gave them. I'm not trying to relive spygate, just asking an opinion as to whether the Pats should have fought back a little. My personal opinion is that a pea brained idiot made a name for himself at the expense of this teams glory years.

***reflexblue*** · 06-29-2012, 11:06 PM

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Problem is the tapes got destroyed so we'll never know what was on it good or bad. Were other teams taping? And did the Pats catch them on tape? Who the hell knows. Fact is the Patriots couldn't have looked worse no matter what was on the tapes and the did nothing to dispute, challenge or confront Goodell. They bent over and politely took everything Goodell gave them. I'm not trying to relive spygate, just asking an opinion as to whether the Pats should have fought back a little. My personal opinion is that a pea brained idiot made a name for himself at the expense of this teams glory years.

Let us not forget that it wasn't what was on the tapes, it was where the taping took place. A few yards farther back and it would have been legal. Goodell made it worse by having the tapes destroyed, it looked like there was a cover up.

ThatllMoveTheChains!!! · 06-29-2012, 11:13 PM

The stubborn, asinine, competitive part of me does, but the rest of me knows it wouldn't have changed anything for the better. I think the Pats were in a much better position taking their medicine and moving on from the distraction; the Saints are in a bit different situation since the punishments handed down make it pretty hard to just move along and focus on the season.

Armchair Quarterback · 06-29-2012, 11:16 PM

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Let us not forget that it wasn't what was on the tapes, it was where the taping took place. A few yards farther back and it would have been legal. Goodell made it worse by having the tapes destroyed, it looked like there was a cover up.

Exactly, it looks like a coverup in the Pats favor where in reality if every last tape was released, the Pats could not have possibly looked any worse than they did and do to this day.

ThatllMoveTheChains!!! · 06-29-2012, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by reflexblue

Let us not forget that it wasn't what was on the tapes, it was where the taping took place. A few yards farther back and it would have been legal. Goodell made it worse by having the tapes destroyed, it looked like there was a cover up.

Yep the Pats got nailed for breaking the letter of the rule rather than the intent. The innocuous nature of what they were doing was so out of line with the punishment it caused people to invent shenanigans that never happened.