Dennard pleads Not Guilty - Page 6 - New England Patriots Forums

patman52 · 06-07-2012, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tobias funke

another judge might care

but you hit a cop

you're going in

What are you talking about? Cops get assulted all the time and the perps don't go to jail.

This is a first offense, It was not a beat down but a scuffle. With no future danger to the community as he is moving out of state, The cop was in plain clothes and who knows how he Identified himself. This is as most a 180 day suspended sentence.

You can't hit cops, but first time offenders are treated more leniently by the courts, specially when the guy will be joining the top 10% income bracket in the US. I can see a $50,000 donation to the police widows, the suspended sentence and a 4 game suspension from the league.

That is a $100,000 hit and a suspended sentence.

UK_Pat37 · 06-07-2012, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by patman52

What are you talking about? Cops get assulted all the time and the perps don't go to jail.

This is a first offense, It was not a beat down but a scuffle. With no future danger to the community as he is moving out of state, The cop was in plain clothes and who knows how he Identified himself. This is as most a 180 day suspended sentence.

You can't hit cops, but first time offenders are treated more leniently by the courts, specially when the guy will be joining the top 10% income bracket in the US. I can see a $50,000 donation to the police widows, the suspended sentence and a 4 game suspension from the league.

That is a $100,000 hit and a suspended sentence.

Four game suspension by the league? Considering he wasn't under the employ of the NFL or an NFL franchise at the time, I don't see any action by the league as likely.

supafly · 06-08-2012, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by patman52

What are you talking about? Cops get assulted all the time and the perps don't go to jail.

This is a first offense, It was not a beat down but a scuffle. With no future danger to the community as he is moving out of state, The cop was in plain clothes and who knows how he Identified himself. This is as most a 180 day suspended sentence.

You can't hit cops, but first time offenders are treated more leniently by the courts, specially when the guy will be joining the top 10% income bracket in the US. I can see a $50,000 donation to the police widows, the suspended sentence and a 4 game suspension from the league.

That is a $100,000 hit and a suspended sentence.

I think that you're pretty spot on with your assessment of what the penalty could be (not specifically, but in the sense that it shouldn't be harsh like some expect), but I don't really agree on your suspension prediction.

As UK said, he really wasn't an employee of the league at the time, so it's still up in the air as to whether or not he'll get any kind of punishment from the NFL. At this point, I don't think we can put anything past Roger Goodell, but at worst it would likely only be a game, maybe two at the max; and that's IF Goodell decides to push the envelope and try and get cute.

TyronePoole · 06-08-2012, 02:06 AM

i can't believe how many people haven't seen Good Will Hunting in here

***Joker*** · 06-08-2012, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Joker

yeah...OK, Good Will Hunting...(gotta wake up pretty early in the a.m. to bamboozle the ol' Joker)

they need pictures to jog their oh so serious minds...I posted that response 4 pages back and it STILL flew over their heads...here's the scene excerpted...

JUDGE MALONE ..Son,(a beat)..My turn.The Judge opens Will's CASE HISTORY.JUDGE MALONE (cont'd)(reading)June, '93, assault, Sept. '93assault...Grand theft auto February'94.A beat, the Judge takes particular notice.JUDGE MALONE (cont'd)Where, apparantly, you defended yourself and had the case thrown out by citing"free property rights of horse and carriage" from 1798... The Judge shakes his head.JUDGE MALONE (cont'd)March, '94 public drunkenness, public

nudity, assault. 10/94 mayhem.November '94, assault. Jan. '95 impersonating a police officer, mayhem,theft, resisting-- overturned--The Judge takes a beat. Gives Will a look.JUDGE MALONE (cont'd) You're in my courtroom, now and I am aware of your priors.(beat)I'm also aware that you're an orphan.You've been through several foster homes. The state removed you from three because of serious physical abuse.The Judge holds a look to Will, who looks down.JUDGE MALONE (cont'd)Another Judge might care. You hit a cop, you go in.(beat)Motion to dismiss denied.The Bailiff goes to remove Will from the courtroom.JUDGE MALONE (cont'd)Keep workin' on your arguments, son.A word of advice for trial; speak English.

great scene form an underrated movie..

patman52 · 06-11-2012, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by supafly

I think that you're pretty spot on with your assessment of what the penalty could be (not specifically, but in the sense that it shouldn't be harsh like some expect), but I don't really agree on your suspension prediction.

As UK said, he really wasn't an employee of the league at the time, so it's still up in the air as to whether or not he'll get any kind of punishment from the NFL. At this point, I don't think we can put anything past Roger Goodell, but at worst it would likely only be a game, maybe two at the max; and that's IF Goodell decides to push the envelope and try and get cute.

I can't be sure, but I understood that once you "commit" to play in the nfl, declare as a junior, accept an invite to the senior bowl or combine, you are considered under their umbrella. that is why guys who test positive at the combine are put in the program and are considered to have one strike against them.

patman52 · 06-11-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Joker

they need pictures to jog their oh so serious minds...I posted that response 4 pages back and it STILL flew over their heads...here's the scene excerpted...

JUDGE MALONE ..Son,(a beat)..My turn.The Judge opens Will's CASE HISTORY.JUDGE MALONE (cont'd)(reading)June, '93, assault, Sept. '93assault...Grand theft auto February'94.A beat, the Judge takes particular notice.JUDGE MALONE (cont'd)Where, apparantly, you defended yourself and had the case thrown out by citing"free property rights of horse and carriage" from 1798... The Judge shakes his head.JUDGE MALONE (cont'd)March, '94 public drunkenness, public

nudity, assault. 10/94 mayhem.November '94, assault. Jan. '95 impersonating a police officer, mayhem,theft, resisting-- overturned--The Judge takes a beat. Gives Will a look.JUDGE MALONE (cont'd) You're in my courtroom, now and I am aware of your priors.(beat)I'm also aware that you're an orphan.You've been through several foster homes. The state removed you from three because of serious physical abuse.The Judge holds a look to Will, who looks down.JUDGE MALONE (cont'd)Another Judge might care. You hit a cop, you go in.(beat)Motion to dismiss denied.The Bailiff goes to remove Will from the courtroom.JUDGE MALONE (cont'd)Keep workin' on your arguments, son.A word of advice for trial; speak English.

great scene form an underrated movie..

Not exactly a famous quote. The one from that movie I recall is "do you like apples"

The Gr8est · 06-11-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by supafly

As UK said, he really wasn't an employee of the league at the time, so it's still up in the air as to whether or not he'll get any kind of punishment from the NFL. At this point, I don't think we can put anything past Roger Goodell, but at worst it would likely only be a game, maybe two at the max; and that's IF Goodell decides to push the envelope and try and get cute.

Since Dennard will likely be inactive anyway in his first few games, I expect Omissioner Goodell to suspend Gronk instead, just so Dennard truly understands that his conduct cannot be tolerated.

jsull87 · 06-11-2012, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by patman52

Not exactly a famous quote. The one from that movie I recall is "do you like apples"

one of my favorites, dw joker i got the quote.