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Hell, seems like a no-brainer for me. He's now set for life.
The Pats will have paid Welker almost $27M for 6 seasons. Welker has been a relative bargain, but he won't be collecting food stamps anytime soon, either.
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Hold on one at a time ok, I still haven't recovered from the euphoria post-Tavon Wilson signing to handle another. Thankfully it's just the tender for now
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It would send a message that such a show of good faith by a player, eager to give up some leverage and not miss a day of camp, is appreciated. Moreover, commitment like that is rewarded.
4 years/33 million.
Sign the beast.
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Did Albert somehow manage to spin this to being a negative for the Patriots?
Too funny! That was actually my first thought when I saw the thread.
Yesterday he had this gem:
"Will be interesting to see the Wes Welker thing play out. History shows players almost always have to go militant to get paid in NE."
I even started a post saying "guess what crap Breer tweeted" but then my boss came by. My entry was going to be "Rat Bastard Belichick screws receiver with $9M insult. I spoke to another GM and he said, 'The Patriots. ... Pffft.' Couldn't agree more. "
But, to be fair (for some reason), Breer did point out on Twitter that Bedard at the Globe reported the tender-signing first.
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Last edited by Uncle Rico; 05-15-2012 at 03:40 PM..
Silly notion, easily shown to be so by simply looking at the past 5 years. Welker is clearly worth that level of money, if not more, in a comparative pay league such as the NFL. Why people are ignoring that is an interesting case study in how too many fans can't be bothered to analyze without throwing in obviously false biases.
No what would be silly is to pay people for past performance going forward, when its highly unlikely for them to keep up the current production. In other words paying more and getting less. This is NOT the blueprint for continuing success. The league is littered with teams that have done this and were soon drafting in the top 10 trying to correct that mistake.
Not to take anything away from Welker's accomplishments over the past 5 season. The Pats certainly got their money's worth, and somehow people seem to resent it. Besides its hard to throw a pity party for a guy who will have made close to $30MM by the end of this season.
Welker's salary prospect have NOTHING to do with what other teams are throwing at 26-28 year old receivers in FA. He's 31, small of stature, and taken quite a beating over the past 5 years. It is unreasonable to think that the kind of player he is now, will be the kind of player we will see in 3 years. History tells us, when players of his size lose it, they lose it fast.
If this was only a matter of paying him for past performance, then fine, give him what he wants. (probably around $10MM/yr) However this is ALL about paying him fairly for what he's likely to produce over the next 3 or 4 years, which would be closer to $6-8MM/yr. That's the impasse. Welker wants to be paid for past production, The Pats want to pay him based on what they think will be the future results.
As it is, Welker's numbers are likely to be down, even if there is absolutely no diminishment of his skills. Brady will have other targets to go to. and a bigger emphasis on the running game, all will eat into Welker's numbers. I can see the Pats offense have another great year, with Welker having "only" 90 odd catches
What should the Pats do? Offer him a deal in the range of 3 years for $22MM with 14 guaranteed. If he balks on that, then let him play for his "measly" $9.3MM this season and move on. Better a year too early than a year too late.
No what would be silly is to pay people for past performance going forward, when its highly unlikely for them to keep up the current production. In other words paying more and getting less. This is NOT the blueprint for continuing success. The league is littered with teams that have done this and were soon drafting in the top 10 trying to correct that mistake.
For seemingly about the billionth time:
Every contract signed in professional sports is, in part, payment for past performance, because past performance is part of what's used to determine value moving forward. This is even true of players who've not played in the leagues themselves.
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Not to take anything away from Welker's accomplishments over the past 5 season. The Pats certainly got their money's worth, and somehow people seem to resent it. Besides its hard to throw a pity party for a guy who will have made close to $30MM by the end of this season.
The pity party thing is a stupid argument in a business with comparative contracts, and you know that, Ken.
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Welker's salary prospect have NOTHING to do with what other teams are throwing at 26-28 year old receivers in FA. He's 31, small of stature, and taken quite a beating over the past 5 years. It is unreasonable to think that the kind of player he is now, will be the kind of player we will see in 3 years. History tells us, when players of his size lose it, they lose it fast.
Then again, you know this isn't true either, yet you posted it. Of course those other deals have potential impact upon Welker's deal.
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If this was only a matter of paying him for past performance, then fine, give him what he wants. (probably around $10MM/yr) However this is ALL about paying him fairly for what he's likely to produce over the next 3 or 4 years, which would be closer to $6-8MM/yr. That's the impasse. Welker wants to be paid for past production, The Pats want to pay him based on what they think will be the future results.
Nonsense. If you were truly looking to be "fair" about future production from the team's perspective, you'd stack a contract with big money in years one and two, most of it guaranteed, and then start a sliding scale with lower up front/guaranteed money and higher value incentive clauses after that.
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As it is, Welker's numbers are likely to be down, even if there is absolutely no diminishment of his skills. Brady will have other targets to go to. and a bigger emphasis on the running game, all will eat into Welker's numbers. I can see the Pats offense have another great year, with Welker having "only" 90 odd catches
In 2007, while new to the team and with yet another "other targets to go to...." season, Welker had 112 catches.
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What should the Pats do? Offer him a deal in the range of 3 years for $22MM with 14 guaranteed. If he balks on that, then let him play for his "measly" $9.3MM this season and move on. Better a year too early than a year too late.
That would be a stupid offer from the Patriots. I don't know what got into you with this post of yours, but it's one of the most poorly thought out you've ever made. If they offered him 2/16 fully guaranteed already, as reported, why on Earth would you consider your offer to be anything but crazy and offensive?
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