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Old 03-12-2012, 05:14 PM   #41
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Check out any scouting site and look at the prospects likely to be available in the 2nd round (even late). Then ask yourself if you would trade 1 year of Hoyer for 4 years of one of those prospects (and even gain a little cap space). Would anyone really want 1 year of Hoyer over Brandon Thompson or Chase Minnifield or Harrison Smith or Brian Quick or comparable player? Can't imagine. If someone will part with a 2nd round pick, buh-bye Brian...
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Old 03-12-2012, 05:48 PM   #42
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Remember the reports of how the Pats loved Guttierez?

Paying almost $3M for Hoyer, plus The Hammer and then Brady is a LOT of cap space spent on QB

EDIT: Correction upon research vs top of the head emotion, The Hammer has a tiny cap hit ~ $500K
Hammer spent the entire season inactive and roaming the sidelines in sweats and a bb cap, mostly yukking it up with the TE's or 5th string WR's under 25. He doesn't even chart games. Bill lets Stephen do that... He was practice player of the week once all season, the week we played Sanchez the first time...LOL Hoyer while wearing a headset and in on all the calls and conferences and breaking up sidline skirmishes between the QB and the OC and taking all the second string snaps and a couple of the first string ones, was practice player of the week 3 times. Did you see him secure that TE yardage title for Gronk in mop up? He runs the offense the way the OC and HC call it and want it run, whether it succeeds or not. Something Cassel also was adept at and Gutz and KOC never mastered.

You have to take media comments in context. Rap was hearing about how high they are on Hoyer all season and from multiple sources. Reiss was told by someone in the FO or ownership during his first off season that they loved Gutz work ethic...and every lemming mediot in town picked that up and ran with it as they love Gutz, he's lapped Cassel and Cassel is toast... Then they drafted KOC and that just seemed to underscore the myth. Gutz let KOC spook him, Matt never did. Gutz failed to improve, if anything he got worse - reverting to form under pressure and trying too hard to make something out of nothing when all Bill wanted to see him do was run the damn offense so he could assess the whole unit or personnel grouping. Gutz was trying to win the game to secure position. That's not what Bill is looking for in pre season. And all that got him was cut. Same fate that befell KOC the following season when the UDFA replaced him and became the lone backup to a HOF QB coming off an ACL injury. As he was again in 2010. That tells me all I need to know.

Mallet was drafted because we could, and it was a value option in a slot lacking an alternative value like a trade back, not because we were in the market (although McElroy would have been sweet but the JETS landed him as a result). Mallett isn't a natural Brady backup or system fit here. Whether he's an NFL caliber QB remains to be seen. Whether they can find a way to boost his stock without doing something Bill hasn't done since the days of Rohan Davey (showcase packages for a backup) remains to be seen. Didn't work then, either.
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Here's one thread that's a blast from the past:

I can not see how Gutierrez is not by far the #2 QB now


Good times...
I blame the guy who posted this...

"Ummm.... how many regular season or playoff games has Brady missed since Cassel has been on the team?"

For jinxing Brady's injury just 2 weeks later!
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FWIW, the Saints reached a 1-year agreement with Chase Daniel.
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It's easier to just say "I don't like Mallett, never have"


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Hammer spent the entire season inactive and roaming the sidelines in sweats and a bb cap, mostly yukking it up with the TE's or 5th string WR's under 25. He doesn't even chart games. Bill lets Stephen do that... He was practice player of the week once all season, the week we played Sanchez the first time...LOL Hoyer while wearing a headset and in on all the calls and conferences and breaking up sidline skirmishes between the QB and the OC and taking all the second string snaps and a couple of the first string ones, was practice player of the week 3 times. Did you see him secure that TE yardage title for Gronk in mop up? He runs the offense the way the OC and HC call it and want it run, whether it succeeds or not. Something Cassel also was adept at and Gutz and KOC never mastered.

You have to take media comments in context. Rap was hearing about how high they are on Hoyer all season and from multiple sources. Reiss was told by someone in the FO or ownership during his first off season that they loved Gutz work ethic...and every lemming mediot in town picked that up and ran with it as they love Gutz, he's lapped Cassel and Cassel is toast... Then they drafted KOC and that just seemed to underscore the myth. Gutz let KOC spook him, Matt never did. Gutz failed to improve, if anything he got worse - reverting to form under pressure and trying too hard to make something out of nothing when all Bill wanted to see him do was run the damn offense so he could assess the whole unit or personnel grouping. Gutz was trying to win the game to secure position. That's not what Bill is looking for in pre season. And all that got him was cut. Same fate that befell KOC the following season when the UDFA replaced him and became the lone backup to a HOF QB coming off an ACL injury. As he was again in 2010. That tells me all I need to know.

Mallet was drafted because we could, and it was a value option in a slot lacking an alternative value like a trade back, not because we were in the market (although McElroy would have been sweet but the JETS landed him as a result). Mallett isn't a natural Brady backup or system fit here. Whether he's an NFL caliber QB remains to be seen. Whether they can find a way to boost his stock without doing something Bill hasn't done since the days of Rohan Davey (showcase packages for a backup) remains to be seen. Didn't work then, either.
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The difference is about right (~$800K), but the tenders aren't:

First-round tender $2.74M
Second-round tender $1.93M
Original-round tender $1.26M
I bow to your superior research, I knew the difference wasn't that large.

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FWIW, the Saints reached a 1-year agreement with Chase Daniel.
They likely didnt want to pay him the 2nd round tender amount and as an UDFA the low tender was meaningless. So they paid him a hair above it including a $300K signing bonus. He's a little different than Hoyer in that he bounced around a little including on and off NO roster and PS for two years before beating out Patrick Ramsey for the #2 job in NO in 2010. He says he believes he will benefit from one more year under Brees and Payton, and with a holdout looming by Brees he will get some one on one attention and possibly even most of the PS starts if Brees digs his heels in. 1 year $1.3M deal. Hoyer is worth more after 3 years as the #2 here.
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Per Adam Caplan on twitter league sources confirm Hoyer has received the second round tender from the NEP.
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Per Adam Caplan on twitter league sources confirm Hoyer has received the second round tender from the NEP.
yes....yes.....a clear sign of how much the pats (or as you put it 'we') hate mallett and regret ever picking him
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yes....yes.....a clear sign of how much the pats (or as you put it 'we') hate mallett and regret ever picking him
I never said either. Implying such is just the fall back for the weak minded poster who can't comprehend that there can be rational reasons for divergent opinion. So they lash out at individuals whose opinion diverges from theirs by basically calling them haters. Unlike many here I don't actually hate any player. Just don't always see them as fits for a variety of reasons.
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