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Old 02-22-2012, 11:26 PM   #11
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Apparently they freed up another 3 million today with the cuts of Wright and Ornberger.

I see a lot of 'fantasy' thinking in this thread, and as much as I doubt it, I hope that some of you are right!

Lloyd for 2.9 million?

Signing Dashon Goldson and Cliff Avril?

Mike Wallace?

Richard Marshall for 2.2 million per year?



My oh my...
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:23 PM   #12
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Under the radar players, from NFL.com
NFL.com news: Under-the-radar players will be bargains on the market


It wouldn't have the wow factor of some other big names but I would be pretty happy with:
  • Tolbert, RB/FB - replaces BJGE, Ridley takes lead role
  • Morgan, WR - replaces Stinko
  • Carriker, 3-4 DE - is about 27 years younger than Warren, adds more flexibility between 3-4 and 4-3
  • Jarrett Johnson, OLB - DE - more flexibility, replaces Carter (Carter is put on the shadow roster, he returns at the end of training camp making DE a position of strength)

Use the draft to build depth and add competition in secondary.
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It wouldn't have the wow factor of some other big names but I would be pretty happy with:
  • Tolbert, RB/FB - replaces BJGE, Ridley takes lead role
  • Morgan, WR - replaces Stinko
  • Carriker, 3-4 DE - is about 27 years younger than Warren, adds more flexibility between 3-4 and 4-3
  • Jarrett Johnson, OLB - DE - more flexibility, replaces Carter (Carter is put on the shadow roster, he returns at the end of training camp making DE a position of strength)

Use the draft to build depth and add competition in secondary.
I'm liking where you're going with this...

Much more realistic than a lot of the fantasy wishes that we see every year.

Affordable guys who can actually possibly come here, unlike 95% of the other players that everyone is talking about.
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I'm liking where you're going with this...

Much more realistic than a lot of the fantasy wishes that we see every year.

Affordable guys who can actually possibly come here, unlike 95% of the other players that everyone is talking about.
Well, plan B is Ray Rice, Mario Williams, Vincent Jackson and Brandon Carr... lets see how it plays out.
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Well, plan B is Ray Rice, Mario Williams, Vincent Jackson and Brandon Carr... lets see how it plays out.
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offense

re-sign Branch BJGE Welker Connolly Koppen, cut ocho and sign Cedric Benson and Josh Morgan, DRAFT (Michael Floyd WR) (Michael Brewster C) ( David Paulson TE)

Defense

re-sign Carter anderson Ihedigbo Slater, sign Eric Wright and Chris Hope, DRAFT (Devon Still DT) ( Markelle Martin FS ) (Jayron Hosley CB/PR/KR)


notting sexy but dose are realistic moves i could see the pats makeing
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offense

re-sign Branch BJGE Welker Connolly Koppen, cut ocho and sign Cedric Benson and Josh Morgan, DRAFT (Michael Floyd WR) (Michael Brewster C) ( David Paulson TE)

Defense

re-sign Carter anderson Ihedigbo Slater, sign Eric Wright and Chris Hope, DRAFT (Devon Still DT) ( Markelle Martin FS ) (Jayron Hosley CB/PR/KR)


notting sexy but dose are realistic moves i could see the pats makeing
I like the thought of the secondary additions, keeping all of our key players, and improving through the draft too. I like your positions chosen, and feel as though it would add good depth and competition.

I don't agree personally with C.Benson. I don't think he's that talented, and I don't think he offers a good attitude either.

I also wonder if Floyd will be around, and whether or not we'd choose a WR that high anyway.
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Sounds like the Pats would like Carter to return, but nothing is going to happen for a while. Also, he'll be looking for more than a one-year deal.

Agent: DE Carter hopeful of return - New England Patriots Blog - espnBoston

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The agent for free-agent defensive end Andre Carter said Carter plans to play again in 2012, has interest in returning to the Patriots, and is ahead of schedule in his rehab after left quad surgery.

"This is what Andre wanted when [we] sat down and talked -- he wanted to go to a team that was a contender [and] where he would play in a system where he had a chance to go to the Pro Bowl, so everything was perfect until the injury," agent Carl Poston said Friday at the NFL combine. "We would like to think they'd be interested in keeping him on a long-term basis, but it takes two to dance."

Poston said he's made initial contact with the Patriots to see what the team's plans are with Carter.

"I would have been surprised if they said they weren't interested. They said they were interested, but it's a little early [to talk about a contract]," he relayed.


A bit more on the comments from Carter's agent, Carl Poston here:

It Is What It Is - Agent: Andre Carter 'Ahead Of Schedule' On Rehab, Would Welcome Return To Patriots

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“I think that everything turned out the way we wanted, except for the injury,” he said. “He wanted to go to a quality team and obviously, New England is that. He wanted to go to a contender. He wanted to go to a team where he could work well in the system and go to the Pro Bowl. All those things happened. It’s just that he got hurt. That’s part of the game.

“I hate to put it in football terms, but it’s like carrying the ball, and you’re on the five-yard line, and the time runs out. He didn’t get a chance to carry it over the goal line — in spirit, he did, But I would like to think that if he were healthy, it would have made a difference in the Super Bowl because it was such a close game. I just think that Andre would have made that kind of difference, because he’s a difference maker.”

Poston indicated that Carter could be even better than he was in 2012.

“He’s in good shape. He’s in good shape. He’s ahead in his rehab,” he said. “It’s not the kind of injury … it’s not like a lower back or a knee where he’s not going to be able to come back. He’s going to come back 100 percent. As a matter of fact, he might even be stronger.”
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It wouldn't have the wow factor of some other big names but I would be pretty happy with:
  • Tolbert, RB/FB - replaces BJGE, Ridley takes lead role
  • Morgan, WR - replaces Stinko
  • Carriker, 3-4 DE - is about 27 years younger than Warren, adds more flexibility between 3-4 and 4-3
  • Jarrett Johnson, OLB - DE - more flexibility, replaces Carter (Carter is put on the shadow roster, he returns at the end of training camp making DE a position of strength)

Use the draft to build depth and add competition in secondary.
I really like the Tolbert idea but who do you think will cost more him or BJGE? I will take the cheaper of the 2.

As JMT just pointed out looks like Carter wants back and looks like the Pats want him back no contract being discussed yet but based on the comments one would think it happens way before camp and likely before the draft too.

Hopefully Carter doesnt expect too much because I would really prefer to have him back and or Anderson before looking at upgrades otherwise you dont really imrove depth and its hard to picture someone playing that much better than Carter did last year.
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OK I'll bite Here is my ideal scenario with one proviso. Scenario A is one that the Pats resign Welker - Scenario B is the one where they can't. Both assume Light and Waters return

Scenario A

1. FA

a. Your own - Resign - Carter, Anderson, Welker and Connolly. Let Koppen, Iheadabu, Branch and BJGE walk -
b. additions - Sign - Michael Griffin or Goldson I don't care which - Sign a 3rd TE in an ideal world Yeatman or Smith will become available. Add a WR to compete with Ocho for Branch's snaps (under 6MM/yr) - Sign a couple of cheap vet OLmen to compete for the 9th OL position-

2. Draft- this is my fantasy, but I'll try and be as realistic as I can and deal with just the first 5 picks and assuming we don't trade any of those into the future.

a. By position - DL, OLB/DE, CB, WR and S
b. my fantasy draft based on what little I know right now. Cox - for interior pass rush
Marcilus- as an eventual Carter replacement who can play DE and OL Minnefield- another big tall CB with press coverage skill - Some tall WR with deep speed. fill in the blank - Markel Carter - to develop as a S if Barrett gets hurt again.

Scenario B - If Welker walks

1. FA - the same as above only you delete Welker, and upgrade the WR position and add Vincent Jackson so the 6MM/yr goes up to 9MM/yr
2. Draft - The draft remains the same, but instead of big WR, you go for the quicker guy regardless of size, like Adams and you might even be willing to move up in the 3rd round to get him.
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