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Old 02-22-2012, 10:02 AM   #11
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I'm breaking my vow to indulge the sci-fi nerd in me. If that's ruled a catch, the timeline changes, maybe Gronk doesn't get hurt, and... ah, never mind
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Old 02-22-2012, 10:24 AM   #12
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I'm breaking my vow to indulge the sci-fi nerd in me. If that's ruled a catch, the timeline changes, maybe Gronk doesn't get hurt, and... ah, never mind
Then, you absolutely gotta read Stephen King's 11/22/63: Time Lines galore and gone amuck...butterflies flapping their wings until Kingdom Come! A much better use of your time and a lot less likely to induce insanity.
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The cost to challenging and being denied was a time out in the first half, which could not be carried over to the second half for use "late in the game".
That's only part of the cost. The other part of the cost of a failed challenge is that you lose the chance to make a 3rd challenge.
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The Giants did a fairly good job getting to the line. The network did not show the replay immediately, but stayed with field shots. I remember thinking it was unusual that we didn't get a look right after. I'm not willing to call foul and say "they didn't give the replay to us", but chose to stay on the field instead. If I remember correctly, BB threw the challenge flag at the instant the replay showed on the screen. As posted already, he had no choice but to go with instinct on it, the championship in the balance.
This is an issue I have had for years with the whole way challenges and replays are handled. To me there is far too much importance left up to what the network decides to broadcast/replay (or not broadcast/replay) prior to the next snap that influences whether a coaching staff making their decision of whether or not to challenge a play. What a network does or does not do should have no potential influence on the outcome of a game, or at least as little as possible.

The other thing I don't like about challenges is that even if you are right every time, you still only have a specific, limited number of challenges. Why should a team in essence be penalized by having no more challenges remaining if they were correct previously? You win two challenges and then the refs make another bad call; now you have to make a choice: do I go ahead and use a challenge here, knowing I am right? Or do I save it in case I might need it later? To have to make that decision seems seems kind of ridiculous to me.

To me a better setup would be for each team to have a maximum of two incorrect challenges; once they are used up they can't challenge any more calls. The other alternative would be to make all challenges come from upstairs, but that could result in some 'why didn't they take a second look at this play' controversies.
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As I recall watching the play several times in real time and slow motion, I recall a split second after the first picture you posted the ball comes forward and looks like it hits Gronk in the face mask so he wouldn't have had possession with the first foot being down. That's what I recall anyways, I will have to go back and watch again.
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Pereira tweeted at the time — and followed up with this — saying he would have overturned it (called it a reception) if it was up to him.
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In real time it didnt look like a catch, at game speed they have to make quick decisions, us sitting at home get to see replay after replay and are under no time constraints and from out view point it looked like a catch, by then they game was moving right along.
I remember BB was asked at his post game presser why he didnt challenge and he said it didnt look like a catch, and he was right, in real time it didnt.
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To me a better setup would be for each team to have a maximum of two incorrect challenges; once they are used up they can't challenge any more calls. The other alternative would be to make all challenges come from upstairs, but that could result in some 'why didn't they take a second look at this play' controversies.
That somewhat exists today with the rule of reviewing every scoring play. Sure every scoring play is reviewed upstairs, but ultimately someone makes the decision on whether or not to bring it the refs attention. There was a TD by Darren Sproles scored early in the season in which he clearly stepped out of bounds at like the 5 yard line. This play did not make it to the 'official review' and the play stood (I was ecstatic b/c he was on my fantasy team).

Plus you already have that in the final two minutes of each half. For instance, Ravens Coach Harbaugh questioned by the Sterling Moore knocking the ball out of Lee Evans grasp was NOT challenged.

Like you though, I would prefer to err on challenging too much than too little. Get the calls right.
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In real time it didnt look like a catch, at game speed they have to make quick decisions, us sitting at home get to see replay after replay and are under no time constraints and from out view point it looked like a catch, by then they game was moving right along.
I remember BB was asked at his post game presser why he didnt challenge and he said it didnt look like a catch, and he was right, in real time it didnt.
I agree, but that's why he has people upstairs to help him make those decisions.
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was there ever a clear replay on TV?.I don't remember them showing one.
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