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Old 02-06-2012, 12:52 PM   #1
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I was just reading an article on that play and it's bizarre that you can have 12 men on defense with the game on the line, and it only costs you 5 yards while the other team (the Patriots) still loses every second despite the penalty. Doesn't make much sense.
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yah smart move by giants. nfl needs to tweak the rule and allow teams to put time back on the clock that was lost on the play. thats all
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I thought the same thing after the penalty. If I were the Giants I would have sent out 12 players again. If you have 80 yards to go in under a minute, Id pass up 5 yards for 10 seconds off the clock.
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My teenage son picked up on this, too. The NFL needs to address this big time.

He said: "Hey, Dad! They had 12 guys on the field but the Pats still lost 5 seconds! So every defensive team should just have 12 or 13 guys on the field for every Hail Mary play until the clock runs out!"

Smart kid, my son.
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Yeah, this definitely exposed a flaw in the rules, like the Immaculate Reception and whoever fumbled the ball forward towards the goal line with the game clock running down a few decades ago.
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The solution is to put EXTRA TIME BACK ON THE CLOCK if the defense has too many men on the field inside of 2 minutes. Maybe 8 to 10 seconds minimum, or more if the play took longer than that to develop.

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I think the easiest way to address it is this like an offensive penalty has a run off if a defensive penalty if accepted the clock should be put back to what the clock said when the ball was snapped I thought of that last night too and I am shocked this as not come up before
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Yeah, this definitely exposed a flaw in the rules, like the Immaculate Reception and whoever fumbled the ball forward towards the goal line with the game clock running down a few decades ago.
That was the infamous "Holy Roller" play. Oakland vs. San Diego with Ken Stabler, Fred Biletnikoff , Dave Casper, and about half of the rest of the Raider team.

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My friends and I used to re-create that play when we played touch football out in the greenbelt as kids. We always got a laugh, that play was hilarious. And a typical example of the Raiders cheating their way to victory well before the era of instant replay.

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I think the easiest way to address it is this like an offensive penalty has a run off if a defensive penalty if accepted the clock should be put back to what the clock said when the ball was snapped I thought of that last night too and I am shocked this as not come up before
I think the penalty against the defense needs to be more punitive than that. Otherwise, teams might still put 12 guys back there hoping to tire out the WR's and TE's or maybe get someone injured.
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My teenage son picked up on this, too. The NFL needs to address this big time.

He said: "Hey, Dad! They had 12 guys on the field but the Pats still lost 5 seconds! So every defensive team should just have 12 or 13 guys on the field for every Hail Mary play until the clock runs out!"

Smart kid, my son.
game can't end on defensive penalty...so the Giants could not keep 12 guys on the field.
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