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Old 02-02-2012, 02:58 PM   #11
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Could you flesh this one out for me, because I don't really think this is all that close...

Patriots Team: 4.0
BJGE: 3.7
Ridley: 5.1
Woodhead: 4.6

Giants Team: 3.5
Bradshaw: 3.9
Jacobs: 3.8

BJGE was limited by his toe this year, but he's healthier now. On the other hand, Bradshaw's foot injury is still a problem.
Jacobs and Bradshaw were both hurt during the regular season and much less effective than they normally are but are averaging 4.4 and 4.5 YPC behind a worse line than the Pats in the playoffs.

Benny is averaging 3.4 and Woodhead 4.3. Factor in some production from Hernandez and the fact that a lot more is expected of the Patriots backs in the passing game and I call it a wash. I don't think you can factor in Ridley at all at this point.

Not that the regular season doesn't count but most people agree that the second half of the season and the playoffs more accurately reflect what these two teams are about. Factoring all that in I'd give it a wash.
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I might call that one a draw.
Why? Giants RBs were terrible this year. At least our RBs were an effective complimentary weapon.
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Looks about right to me.
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Bradshaw is avg 98.3 total yards per game in the post season while BJGE is AVG 52.0

Bradshaw still only practices half the week but he has been extremely effective in games during the post season.
He gets more attempts but his YPC is also greater so I agree.
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Why? Giants RBs were terrible this year. At least our RBs were an effective complimentary weapon.
As I said they were hurt and running behind a worse line. Their playoff numbers more accurately reflect their talent.
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Bradshaw is avg 98.3 total yards per game in the post season while BJGE is AVG 52.0

Bradshaw still only practices half the week but he has been extremely effective in games during the post season.
1.) Straight yardage is pretty much useless at this point. It's the playoffs, after all.

2.) BJGE ran at a 4.53 clip in that last game, against the Ravens, which isn't exactly stinking up the joint. Bradshaw had nice YPA against the Falcons and Packers, but he's coming off of a 3.7 YPA performance against the 49ers.

I don't see where this gives the Giants any particular edge.
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Jacobs and Bradshaw were both hurt during the regular season and much less effective than they normally are but are averaging 4.4 and 4.5 YPC behind a worse line than the Pats in the playoffs.

Benny is averaging 3.4 and Woodhead 4.3. Factor in some production from Hernandez and the fact that a lot more is expected of the Patriots backs in the passing game and I call it a wash. I don't think you can factor in Ridley at all at this point.

Not that the regular season doesn't count but most people agree that the second half of the season and the playoffs more accurately reflect what these two teams are about. Factoring all that in I'd give it a wash.
You credit the Giants with playing through injuries, but you didn't note that BJGE spent much of the season dealing with a toe injury and that Woodhead was concussed early on and took quite a while to get over that.

As for Ridley, why can't he be factored in? He's put up better YPA numbers than any runner for either team. Fumbles aside, he may be the 'best' runner in the game (Super Bowl) this year.
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I agree with DI's take, but I'm not sure that I'd evaluate it like that. I'd look at it more like:

Patriots OL vs. Giants DL (pass): wash
Patriots RB/OL vs. Giants DL (run): adv. Patriots
Giants OL vs. Patriots DL (pass): wash
Giants OL vs. Patriots DL (run): adv. Patriots
Patriots QB/WR vs. Giants secondary: Patriots by a mile
Giants QB/WR vs. Patriots secondary: Giants by a mile
Patriots QB/TE vs. Giants LB/S: Patriots by a mile
Giants QB/TE vs. Patriots LB/S: Adv. Giants
Patriots kick/punt coverage vs. Giants kick/punt return: wash
Giants kick/punt coverage vs. Patriots kick/punt return: wash
Coach: adv. Patriots

All of that said, I definitely wouldn't weight all of these points equally, but I do believe that the Patriots overall have a real and fairly compelling advantage in this game. Mostly because I don't think the Giants' pass rush has the huge advantage over the Pats' pass protection that everyone is saying it does. The Pats' pass protection has been great.
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OL isn't close, that goes to the Patriots easily. The addition of Waters gives them one of the top 2 OG tandems in football (N.O. is the other) and Light, Vollmer, and Solder gives the Patriots a 3 deep OT rotation no other team can match. C is the only position on the OL the Giants match up at.

The Patriots have the best OL in football.
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I'd take Bradshaw over any RB on our roster.

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